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Original tritium lume on a 105.012?
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Marsimaxam
·Could you please take more images of the dial including the entire dial... I'm sure the experts on board will appreciate more images.
Offhand, the lume does not look like it has experienced natural patina evolution, but rather, there has being some possible moisture damage to the lume plots.
Whether you leave as is or replace lume all depends on how it looks with the naked eye. I have a speedmaster which is missing some of the lume, but to the naked eye it looks fine in my opinion.
These are both 105.012-66s
Offhand, the lume does not look like it has experienced natural patina evolution, but rather, there has being some possible moisture damage to the lume plots.
Whether you leave as is or replace lume all depends on how it looks with the naked eye. I have a speedmaster which is missing some of the lume, but to the naked eye it looks fine in my opinion.
These are both 105.012-66s
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asrnj77
·Looks like water ingress to me. Most of the time I prefer not reluming but if the dial has damage or the lume is gone (or moldy) I think getting the faux lume professionally applied will do wonders for the watch
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lexieb007
·Looks like water ingress to me. Most of the time I prefer not reluming but if the dial has damage or the lume is gone (or moldy) I think getting the faux lume professionally applied will do wonders for the watch
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Davidt
·Well tritium is barely radioactive now if it was new in the 60's.
It's not actually mould anyway. It's just mouldy looking as moisture has degraded and discoloured the lume over the decades.
I always prefer originality but this dial looks like crap so it's one where I'd consider a relume.
What are your thoughts on it @lexieb007?
It's not actually mould anyway. It's just mouldy looking as moisture has degraded and discoloured the lume over the decades.
I always prefer originality but this dial looks like crap so it's one where I'd consider a relume.
What are your thoughts on it @lexieb007?
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Concer
·Hey,
yep, the dial (and so the lume) has suffered from moisture. The hand of the right subtil shows water damage also.
When moisture gets on the dial, lume acts like a sponge. The lume then darkens more and more, up until its nearly black.
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Furthermore, I would not be surprised if the movement is also infected with rust.
If this is a watch that you want to buy, be sure to have the movement shown to you.
yep, the dial (and so the lume) has suffered from moisture. The hand of the right subtil shows water damage also.
When moisture gets on the dial, lume acts like a sponge. The lume then darkens more and more, up until its nearly black.
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Furthermore, I would not be surprised if the movement is also infected with rust.
If this is a watch that you want to buy, be sure to have the movement shown to you.
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lexieb007
·Well tritium is barely radioactive now if it was new in the 60's.
It's not actually mould anyway. It's just mouldy looking as moisture has degraded and discoloured the lume over the decades.
I always prefer originality but this dial looks like crap so it's one where I'd consider a relume.
What are your thoughts on it @lexieb007?
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Davidt
·Rolex lume certainly does show this kind of ageing.
I think the difference is that a) speedmasters have less water resistance than most oyster cases watches and so are more prone to water contamination, and b) many Rolexes go through dealers hands and are relumed before being seen publicly.
I think the difference is that a) speedmasters have less water resistance than most oyster cases watches and so are more prone to water contamination, and b) many Rolexes go through dealers hands and are relumed before being seen publicly.
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asrnj77
·Well I come to Speedmasters from rolex tritium which never really showed this problem and where the lume stays clear and defined (it just patinas) so that's why I am asking... so many speedmasters of the 60'70s have this tritium lume that is kind of splayed with unclear edges so I wasn't sure if that was the norm for an untouched tritium speedy dial....
It’s most prevalent in Seiko’s where I’d guess close to 50% of vintage Seikos have the “funk” on their lume.
I’ve personally never used him but James Hyman has received rave reviews from members here and his relume work would make your dial 1000% better.
https://www.instagram.com/thealchemistrelumer/?hl=en
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Davidt
·I second that - James is a magician.
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lexieb007
·^ relume just doesn't cut it for me.... I don't know... tritium is tritium anyway IMO!
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Davidt
·On their own the hour markers look ok but the hands look slightly suspect which makes me question the lot.
One that could go either way and I’d like to see ‘in hand’
One that could go either way and I’d like to see ‘in hand’
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zwjk
·It would be helpful for the experts (i.e. not me) if you post the photos of the entire dial too.
I agree the hands are questionable as matching hands and dial are always somewhat suspicious on a Speedy.
I agree the hands are questionable as matching hands and dial are always somewhat suspicious on a Speedy.
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lexieb007
·It would be helpful for the experts (i.e. not me) if you post the photos of the entire dial too.
I agree the hands are questionable as matching hands and dial are always somewhat suspicious on a Speedy.
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lexieb007
·If I post a full dial shot will you all promise not to gazump? 😀
My guess is there are many of us on the same quest that's all 😉 lol
My guess is there are many of us on the same quest that's all 😉 lol
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zwjk
·If I post a full dial shot will you all promise not to gazump? 😀
My guess is there are many of us on the same quest that's all 😉 lol
If you are buying this on eBay/Craigslist etc. you need to take a punt based on your own assessment. This is the only way you can get somewhat of a bargain these days.
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repoman
·Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but the lume would be the least of my concerns with this watch... its clearly had significant water damage, i'd want to see the movement and get an expert assessment from a watchmaker before proceeding any further.
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