Original or relumed 2998 dial?

sog00d · Mar 15, 2020

Hello OF,

Been staring at this dial for a awhile and wanted to share with you to get some extra eyes on it. It does feel like a relume too me. Main reason, I’m use to clearly seeing a step in the lume plot through the tritium. These feel a bit puffy. But I’ve also heard that this is sometimes accepted for trit dials as well.

Let me know your thoughts

Majork · Mar 16, 2020

From the even shade, texture and 'vanish' looking stains around the plots, I'd say relume.

ndgal · Mar 16, 2020

There are a few other things I would be looking at before the lume... 😉

321Only · Mar 16, 2020

What is the reaction to UV light? and what does the dosimeter say?

ndgal · Mar 16, 2020

321Only
What is the reaction to UV light? and what does the dosimeter say?

Not relevant in this particular case... 😗

eugeneandresson · Mar 16, 2020

What makes you think it’s a 2998 dial?

JanV · Mar 16, 2020

It’s derived from a 105.002? or 003?

Majork · Mar 16, 2020

Ah I see, it's probably a Service dial. Didn't even look for the Swiss Made.

killer67 · Mar 16, 2020

I would focus more on the bottom of the dial

OMEGuy · Mar 16, 2020

Besides this dial has been manipulated (I think removed "PROFESSIONAL" and "T"s) and relumed, the diameter of the minute track isn't matching, it is too large.

This one is a correct 2998 dial:

Dash1 · Mar 16, 2020

Minute markers don’t quite reach the step so not a 2998 dial. I believe there are 105.002 dials like this though as I’ve seen a few but haven’t seen any discussion on that point, also I can’t see any sign of removed T’s although they could still be there on closer inspection. The clear marks around the lume plots do suggest a relume.

OMEGuy · Mar 16, 2020

Dash1
Minute markers don’t quite reach the step so not a 2998 dial. I believe there are 105.002 dials like this though as I’ve seen a few but haven’t seen any discussion on that point, also I can’t see any sign of removed T’s although they could still be there on closer inspection. The clear marks around the lume plots do suggest a relume.

I checked the font and position of the "SWISS MADE" and the font of "Speedmaster" to see it was most likely a tritium Professional dial.

JanV · Mar 16, 2020

I stand corrected, have a look at the E on OMEGA. It’s short, so should suggest to be from a 145.012? But no clear signs of covered T’s or Professional to what i can see. But the letter E is a tell tale to me now when having a closer look. What does the jury think?

killer67 · Mar 16, 2020

‘E’ is not from a 2998

Dash1 · Mar 16, 2020

OMEGuy
I checked the font and position of the "SWISS MADE" and the font of "Speedmaster" to see it was most likely a tritium Professional dial.

You’re right. Also light marks on the dial where the ‘Professional’ has likely been removed.

Dash1 · Mar 16, 2020

JanV
I stand corrected, have a look at the E on OMEGA. It’s short, so should suggest to be from a 145.012? But no clear signs of covered T’s or Professional to what i can see. But the letter E is a tell tale to me now when having a closer look. What does the jury think?

Yes I think you’re correct 145.012

ndgal · Mar 16, 2020

OMEGuy
Besides this dial has been manipulated (I think removed "PROFESSIONAL" and "T"s) and relumed,

JanV
have a look at the E on OMEGA. It’s short, so should suggest to be from a 145.012?

Dash1
You’re right. Also light marks on the dial where the ‘Professional’ has likely been removed.

Bravo! 👍

This dial obviously started its life as a wide T 145.012 dial that had the T’s and PROFESSIONAL removed. Badly.
It’s also relumed. (But as I stated above, at this point not important anymore...).

Dan S · Mar 16, 2020

Very educational thread. When I first looked at the dial I noticed the strange texture of the paint under "Speedmaster", which made me suspicious, but I wouldn't have picked up on the "E". 👍

mozambique · Mar 16, 2020

You guys are sensational!
Scammers beware!

OMEGuy · Mar 16, 2020

Dan S
Very educational thread.

I agree with you and it seems we often share common points. But this thread could have been more efficient and informative for the OP, if it wouldn't have been turned into a guessing game from the beginning.

BTW: The OP? Are you still there? How do you think we helped you?

Original or relumed 2998 dial?

sog00d

Majork

ndgal

321Only

ndgal

eugeneandresson

JanV

Majork

killer67

OMEGuy

Dash1

OMEGuy

JanV

killer67

Dash1

Dash1

ndgal

Dan S

mozambique

OMEGuy

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