Original or re-dials?

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Hi everyone. I came across these two watches for sale but the colour of the dials makes me uneasy, as I cannot find any evidence these were produced around this time.

1965 Seamaster DeVille 165.008 - also makes uneasy this one has a back opening rather than being unishell case.



1961 Seamaster 14764 SC 61



Any opinions / help appreciated.

JR
 
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I鈥檓 guessing that you already know the answer 馃馃槈

Well done for checking before buying 馃憦
 
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Thank you very much everyone for your opinions, it is always helpful given all my knowledge of this is based on what I read online. Seller admitted these were redials. They argue because these models aren鈥檛 rare or massively sought after, the redial does not take away value. Would you agree? These were on sale for around 拢1100 each (or $1300).
 
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Are they a Rolex dealer?

The redial certainly hurts the value. I鈥檓 a collector so wouldn鈥檛 even consider a redial so straightaway a redial rules out say 50% of potential buyers.

I don鈥檛 think they鈥檙e worth half that.
 
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The problem with redials on these references is that you can easily find a lovely original example for less with a bit of patience.
 
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It takes away A LOT of value if it is redial. For straight lug style all original vintage omega with no precious metal, no special features, in my opinion, should be ar 500-600$. (In really nice condition)
 
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Thank you very much everyone for your opinions, it is always helpful given all my knowledge of this is based on what I read online. Seller admitted these were redials. They argue because these models aren鈥檛 rare or massively sought after, the redial does not take away value. Would you agree? These were on sale for around 拢1100 each (or $1300).
Absurd valuation.