Original Dial, Not Perfect?

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VetPsychWars

·Dec 13, 2019

For various reasons, I believe this to be an original dial, but it's an interesting one.

Easier to see under the loupe, but the printing for "Omega", "Automatic" and "Calendar" is one weight and color and "Seamaster" is another. It looks as though "Seamaster" was printed after "Omega", "Automatic", and "Calendar". I can well believe this.

The minute track vs the shields and arrows are not perfect. I suspect that the first printing was off a bit, because the minute track is off and "Seamaster" seems to align with the shields and arrows better.

The printing is just too good to be a redial, in my opinion, outside of the minute track.

Here's some speculation: this is a US Collection piece, with 11/16" between the lugs. I've seen a few other dials nearly identical to this one. Perhaps Omega sent the rejects out to be used in different countries?

We'll never know. But it makes me wonder.

Tom

 

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Dan S

·Dec 13, 2019

So the minute track is a re-dial, but the rest is original?

 

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VetPsychWars

·Dec 13, 2019

I think the dial wasn't situated just right when it was printed.

Tom

 

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Dan S

·Dec 13, 2019

VetPsychWars

I think the dial wasn't situated just right when it was printed.

Tom

I doubt it. Some of it is shifted clockwise and some counter-clockwise. I also think it's strange that the "Seamaster" printing gets bolder from left to right, and is angled with respect to "CALENDAR". The 12 o'clock applied marker is misoriented with respect to the Omega logo. It's super messy overall. The only thing I like is the radium burn.

 

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VetPsychWars

·Dec 13, 2019

The word "Calendar" is wonky too, which is weird.

It looks half perfect and half... not.

Tom

 

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OMEGuy

·Dec 14, 2019

I think it is a redial. Not only because I would at least expect a "SWISS MADE" at 6 o'clock.

Is it just the picture, or do the 4 and 5 o'clock markers have a different size/shape?

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Edward53

·Dec 14, 2019

VetPsychWars

I think the dial wasn't situated just right when it was printed.

Tom

That's my opinion too. These things could and did happen. - note the misalignment around 11 and 12 on this Seamaster de Ville. The linen dial is unrefinished.

 

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MSNWatch

·Dec 14, 2019·Vintage Omega Aficionado

Occam’s razor = redial.

 

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ahsposo

·Dec 14, 2019·Most fun screen name at ΩF

MSNWatch

Occam’s razor = redial.

Yeah, too bad this isn't philately...

 

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OMEGuy

·Dec 14, 2019

ahsposo

Yeah, too bad this isn't philately...

Yes. Some things are wrong. As upside down as the plane on your stamp. 😉

 

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DaveK

·Dec 14, 2019

ahsposo

Yeah, too bad this isn't philately...

That’s a fascinating observation. In the stamp world, the errors would fetch a premium

 

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VetPsychWars

·Dec 14, 2019

OMEGuy

I think it is a redial. Not only because I would at least expect a "SWISS MADE" at 6 o'clock.

Is it just the picture, or do the 4 and 5 o'clock markers have a different size/shape?

One has lume, one has not.

Tom

 

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VetPsychWars

·Dec 14, 2019

MSNWatch

Occam’s razor = redial.

The lettering has serifs, however. Which redialers got that right?

I don’t know if you can see it all zoomed up but the ink is different for “Seamaster”. I think it was added later.

Tom

 

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OMEGuy

·Dec 14, 2019

VetPsychWars

One has lume, one has not.

Tom

Your initial question was concerning the dial, wrong, right, or not perfect, right? I'd still say wrong, since it has been redone. Not wrong in a way that it wouldn't look ok.

 

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rkman11

·Dec 14, 2019

Not sure the point of this thread, it seems clear to many, myself included, that the dial has been redone. You disagree. It’s your watch, presumably, so you should just wear it and enjoy it.

 

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Edward53

·Dec 14, 2019

I assumed the point of the thread was simply to canvass opinions?

The words Omega, Automatic and Calendar have clearly been applied separately from the word Seamaster. 99% they have been printed, given the accuracy of the lettering and the way the ink stands proud of the surface - the other 1% allowing for a redialler of staggering talent. AFAIK redials are usually done by hand and I've never come across redialled text so obviously printed, which is why I think this one is original, but if someone can point to similar printed redials then I and (some at least of) the rest of us will have learned something interesting and useful.

It would be nice to see whether the rest of the case and the movement are in the same clean condition as the dial.

 

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eugeneandresson

·Dec 14, 2019

VetPsychWars

The lettering has serifs, however. Which redialers got that right?

This one got it real good (I created a thread about this one here) .

 

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VetPsychWars

·Dec 14, 2019

Thanks for posting that. A direct comparison!

Tom

 

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VetPsychWars

·Dec 14, 2019

Edward53

It would be nice to see whether the rest of the case and the movement are in the same clean condition as the dial.

I've had the watch serviced. I've hand-polished the case, and I do not have a pic of the movement after service, sorry. Nor do I feel like opening it because this one actually has some water resistance.

Tom

 

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padders

·Dec 14, 2019·Oooo subtitles!

My call: redial, but, a good one. You asked for opinions and I base mine on the nasty 'ster' printing, awful minute track alignment near 9-11 and also the supporting evidence of the irregular lume which suggests prior intervention. I have never seen anything leave Bienne (or Geneve or wherever) with such a dial, yes there will be variation, but not that bad IMO. The otherwise cleanliness of the dial is also suggestive of dial intervention.

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