Opinions wanted: 18k gold Omega constellation 168.015

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Hi all, I chanced upon this Omega Constellation 18KYG Ref: 168.015 with Acrylic Crystal. Going for about $3200. Would appreciate any thoughts on its condition, authenticity, and whether it’s worth the money (by current market standards) please. Thank you.

 
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the buckle is just an aftermarket from china. For the price, I have a formula: Gold mass + 500usd (for the rest). 😀))
 
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the buckle is just an aftermarket from china. For the price, I have a formula: Gold mass + 500usd (for the rest). 😀))
Thanks. How do you tell it’s a China aftermarket part?

And how does one figure out the gold mass?
 
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Ask for case back pics. Google the ref no in case back to get details of this ref. Or just google c case constellation and search in forum. I think there is a thread in this forum showing case weight of c case constellation. If I remember correct it’s 30-35 gms( much higher than the older arguably more desirable constellations) but don’t take my word for it. I researched it a year or 2 ago.
 
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Ask for case back pics. Google the ref no in case back to get details of this ref. Or just google c case constellation and search in forum. I think there is a thread in this forum showing case weight of c case constellation. If I remember correct it’s 30-35 gms( much higher than the older arguably more desirable constellations) but don’t take my word for it. I researched it a year or 2 ago.

This isn't a C case Constellation and has a monocoque shell.
IIRC C cases are larger (and heavier)
 
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What would you say is a fair price for this piece? Assume it hasn’t been serviced.

Welcome @fromageenjoyer
Normally the value of a gold constellation is not only in its gold content.
Value is in the fact that it is a Constellation, plus desirability of the particular reference, plus condition.

This particular reference of Constellation is not the best loved reference and it is not in especially good condition (the case has lost its edge facets) and so the value most likely is in the gold content plus a bit, as @hant26 says.

$3200 is way too much for this example (about $1000 too much) but you will need to research something like eBay's sold prices to get an idea of market value.
 
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This isn't a C case Constellation and has a monocoque shell.
IIRC C cases are larger (and heavier)
My bad. I thought they are similar.
 
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Contrary to popular perception, these 18K Constellations are quite rare. Having observed the market for a couple of years, the 18K version pops up barely once per year. So yes, the edges on this particular watch appear soft, but then 18K gold is softer than steel, so it makes sense. While people generaly hunt for sharp bevels on steel cases, I am unsure we can apply the same criteria to these rather rare and soft-case watches. I have the same case in the same condition, bought it because I really like this reference. But it was a decision of the heart, not head 😀
 
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Contrary to popular perception, these 18K Constellations are quite rare. Having observed the market for a couple of years, the 18K version pops up barely once per year. So yes, the edges on this particular watch appear soft, but then 18K gold is softer than steel, so it makes sense. While people generaly hunt for sharp bevels on steel cases, I am unsure we can apply the same criteria to these rather rare and soft-case watches. I have the same case in the same condition, bought it because I really like this reference. But it was a decision of the heart, not head 😀

Unfortunately, rarity doesn't always equal valuable.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and long may that last but these references are somewhat 'Marmite' - you either love them, or you don't....
A number of members have them and think they're great but they're are very much in the minority, although I'm quite glad that these ugly-ducklings have found their own band of devotees. ( that's what collecting should be all about)

However, consequently, the market value for these watches is significantly lower than any other contemporary 60s Constellation.

Gold watches are very much 'dress watches' and to bring top-dollar, the condition has to be very good.
This example isn't great - soft case and a number of dings as well.
So, asking $3,200, even in pristine condition, would be very ambitious - in its current condition it is way off target IMHO.
 
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Unfortunately, rarity doesn't always equal valuable.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and long may that last but these references are somewhat 'Marmite' - you either love them, or you don't....
A number of members have them and think they're great but they're are very much in the minority, although I'm quite glad that these ugly-ducklings have found their own band of devotees. ( that's what collecting should be all about)

However, consequently, the market value for these watches is significantly lower than any other contemporary 60s Constellation.

Gold watches are very much 'dress watches' and to bring top-dollar, the condition has to be very good.
This example isn't great - soft case and a number of dings as well.
So, asking $3,200, even in pristine condition, would be very ambitious - in its current condition it is way off target IMHO.
I admit I am a devotee but I have to agree with you about the condition. Nonetheless, if someone likes this particular model, there are very few to choose from on the open market - hence the 'ridiculous' price. C-case and doglegs are abundant, you can just wait for a sharp one.
 
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For reference, those are watches that were sold quite recently. The prices were much lower than 3200$. Of course, the prices are different in each part of the world. But even if adding several hundred bucks to import them into your country, they are (maybe) still better choices.
 
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I don’t think I’ve previously seen a 168.015.

When I first saw it on this thread I thought someone had put a Constellation dial into a Geneve 166.041 case.

I think I’ll have to treat my Geneves with more respect 🥸
 
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I don’t think I’ve previously seen a 168.015.

When I first saw it on this thread I thought someone had put a Constellation dial into a Geneve 166.041 case.

I think I’ll have to treat my Geneves with more respect 🥸

the 168.025 is the pie pan equivalent and comes in some quite 'funky' dial designs
both cal 564
both monocoque shell
 
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About the gold mass: You just need to put it on a scale
Not necessarily. The dial on this 168.015 is not gold (unlike the "C" case example), neither is the crystal, crown, buckle or movement. Some cases have base metal parts like movement holders or clips built-in. I have seen 168.015 and .025 with "OM" marked gold dials.

Very difficult to get an accurate gold weight on these, because you need to totally disassemble the watch to get to the parts that are made only of gold. I would estimate no more than 30% (40% X 75% alloy for 18K) of the total weight of the whole watch as gold, and that may be an over-estimate.

You also have no idea of the overall condition of the movement. Most of the time, sellers lack the proper tools to open the case. You just have to take it on faith that if it runs, the condition is OK.

This is why these watches do not bring as much in the marketplace as the more conventional arrowhead, pie-pan, or C case Constellations. It is so difficult to assess condition on these.

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@fromageenjoyer:
I saw this 18k watch ref 168.025 as well, but for me its too expensive only because of custom fees.
And I like this case shape as well the 168.005/6 even more than the C-shape. Its because my old view, a watch has to be circle round and not oval.
But its a difference, if you want one 18k watch to wear or collect the Constellation line.
Its hard today to find a 18k Constellation under 3k$/€/£ except the 168.004 or .010.
And for to wear a golden watch its not necessary to find crisp edges, as it would be a shame to expose it to daily wear.
Now I show my two of this style ref 168.015 and 168.025
Konrad
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I would suggest that a 168.004 or .010 would be infinitely more desirable than a 168.015/.025 but that is personal taste.

However, condition is all important in the value of any gold Constellation purchase - making sure that the original facets are intact is a major factor in the market value.