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  1. Dablitzer

    Dablitzer Jul 9, 2013

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    Don't know much about these, are they sought after? Any collectors value to them?

    I have read its uncommon to have the script reversed but that's about as far as my knowledge lies..

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  2. MSNWatch

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Jul 9, 2013

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    Not nearly as collectible as the earlier connies (1950s) or the mid 60s piepans.
     
  3. hoipolloi

    hoipolloi Vintage Omega Connoisseur Jul 9, 2013

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  4. Dablitzer

    Dablitzer Jul 9, 2013

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    I had a feeling they weren't. Not my cup of tea, but interesting to learn.
     
  5. adam78

    adam78 Adam @ ΩF Staff Member Jul 9, 2013

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    I don't know what they were thinking, but....boring!
     
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  6. Privateday7

    Privateday7 quotes Miss Universe Jul 9, 2013

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    I heard 1001 is the most unreliable Omega movement. Some watch maker refuses to work on it.
     
  7. Dablitzer

    Dablitzer Jul 9, 2013

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    I'm glad I didn't buy it then. I got offered it at a very low price, considering its solid. I had a feeling the vendor couldn't sell it.
     
  8. gatorcpa

    gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jul 9, 2013

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    That's probably true to a certain extent. Like trying to identify the most unreliable Toyota or the worst driving BMW.

    If the 1001 is the "most unreliable movement", then that's high praise for Omega. They did have some teething problems with the autowind system that can be fixed (and possibly improved) by a competent watchmaker. Because the same parts tend to fail, some watch guys don't want to be troubled to track down replacements.

    Here's an article Desmond wrote about the 1000 series:

    http://users.tpg.com.au/mondodec//Movement4.pdf

    That particular model doesn't float my boat since it's too small, too thin and too boring.
    gatorcpa
     
  9. ulackfocus

    ulackfocus Jul 9, 2013

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    I'll agree with 2 of the 3, but you can never have a watch that's too thin. ;)
     
  10. gatorcpa

    gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jul 9, 2013

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    Let's put that declaration to the test...

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    http://www.piaget.com/watches/altiplano

    I'm such an enabler, :D
    gatorcpa
     
  11. adam78

    adam78 Adam @ ΩF Staff Member Jul 9, 2013

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    Perhaps not quite as thin as that Piaget (and manual-wind, and a centimeter smaller), this is my thinnest watch, ref. 2507.

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  12. ulackfocus

    ulackfocus Jul 9, 2013

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    Seen that - and even made it one of my recommendations when I wrote for a certain men's magazine.

    http://www.playboy.com/playground/view/fall-fashion-watches

    You guys might recognize some of the vintage IWC pieces in the last photo.

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    From right to left, there's my ultra-thin caliber 401, then the ribbon lug caliber 89 that used to be mine but now is owned by member alam, then member/mod cicindela's caliber 89, and finally a caliber 854 automatic which was another former watch of mine now owned by member Gavin.

    However, if you want to discuss the thinnest calibers, the Lassale manual wind 1200 was only 1.2 mm thick. It didn't work so well though, depending on tiny ball bearings that were prone to wear quickly. The thinnest viable caliber is the AP 2003 (formerly based on a JLC, but now AP outright owns it) at 1.64 mm.

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    The Piaget 9P is 2.0 mm thick.

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  13. JimInOz

    JimInOz "Helpful Hints from Heloise" of bracelet cleaning. Jul 10, 2013

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    Incredible, I just measured an Aussie dollar coin, 2.5mm!
     
  14. Archer

    Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Jul 10, 2013

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    The movement is certainly more problematic than earlier or later movements were, and this goes for the whole series in fact so including the 1010, 1020 series as well. These problems stem from trying to make the watch very thin, and when you do that parts become thinner and more delicate. This is especially true on the dial side, and for example the tension on the cannon pinion has to be just right or you will either have hands stalling during the date change, or teeth shearing off the sliding pinion, minute wheel, etc. when you try to set the time. I keep new cannon pinion assemblies in stock for all of these watches because of this issue, as the cannon pinion is often seized on the wheel, and the wheel is so flimsy it's difficult to disassemble them without bending the wheel or having it come apart. This design of the cannon pinion is sort of a stepping stone from a traditional design like you find on a 550 series, and the later ETA design found in more modern watches like the 2892 based watches.

    I am also personally not a fan of some of the plastic parts inside...or the cheap round wire springs used.

    Can they be serviced and made to run well? Yes of course they can, but this requires someone who has experience working on these and knows the areas where the movements tend to be weak. They can certainly be accurate, but when compared to a 550 series movement, they feel and look very cheap. I don't refuse to work on them, and they aren't particularly difficult to work on if you know what you are doing, but replacement parts for these are certainly not inexpensive - for example the date corrector yoke is quite an expensive part to replace compared to any part of the dial side on a 565 or similar movement.

    Not Omegas finest hour IMO. They were made on a budget, and they look like it.

    Cheers, Al
     
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