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Opinions needed on 145.022-69 for sale
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kov
·Upper pusher looks to be damaged and the crown obviously wrong. Difficult to tell more from those pics...
If the pusher was damaged like that in a shock, the movement might have suffered as well by the way.
If the pusher was damaged like that in a shock, the movement might have suffered as well by the way.
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WatchTimes
·OUCH that pusher took a hit!
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Elitr6
·I thought someone had slipped holding a grinder near the pusher! 😀
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MikiJ
·IMHO I wouldn't pay much more than the value of it's pretty good lookin' DON bezel.
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Elitr6
·I've put a sealed bid in. Will find out if I win at the end of this week
Holding thumbs!
Holding thumbs!
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Dan S
·I think there may be some lume loss on the dial as well, although it's hard to tell from the photo. If you get it at the right price, it could be a good candidate for a total re-lume. With replaced pushers and crown it could end up being quite nice.
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Elitr6
·I think there may be some lume loss on the dial as well, although it's hard to tell from the photo. If you get it at the right price, it could be a good candidate for a total re-lume. With replaced pushers and crown it could end up being quite nice.
Thanks. If I win it I would hope to sell the bezel to recoup some of my costs and ask James Hyman to sort out the dial indices and hands.
I'm still taking a big risk on the condition of the movement but that's the dangerous world we live in!
I know it's a shame to part the watch and the bezel but I can't afford it otherwise and I am desperate to own a speedy again.
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NotAClue
·Thanks. If I win it I would hope to sell the bezel to recoup some of my costs and ask James Hyman to sort out the dial indices and hands.
I'm still taking a big risk on the condition of the movement but that's the dangerous world we live in!
I know it's a shame to part the watch and the bezel but I can't afford it otherwise and I am desperate to own a speedy again.
A couple of days ago I also asked the auction house some photos of the watch and to include movement shots.
they ended up sending some photos with the dust cover... they were able to take the case back but not the dust cover? 👎 kinda weird... anyhow, for the low estimate it’s worth the price IMO
PS: I will not bid on the watch. Good luck for you!
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Passover
·Curious what will happen so please keep us updated!
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Dan S
·Thanks. If I win it I would hope to sell the bezel to recoup some of my costs and ask James Hyman to sort out the dial indices and hands.
I'm still taking a big risk on the condition of the movement but that's the dangerous world we live in!
I know it's a shame to part the watch and the bezel but I can't afford it otherwise and I am desperate to own a speedy again.
That would be shameful IMO. I would encourage you to wait until you have saved enough to afford the watch that you want, instead of selling off parts of a historically correct watch. From a vintage collector's perspective, this is an awful thing to do. Basically a crime, and I really hope you don't win the auction. Why not just buy a cheap one that is already frankenized.
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Elitr6
·That would be shameful IMO. I would encourage you to wait until you have saved enough to afford the watch that you want, instead of selling off parts of a historically correct watch. From a vintage collector's perspective, this is an awful thing to do. Basically a crime, and I hope you don't win the auction. Why not just buy a cheap one that already has the wrong bezel.
Bit strong dont you think ? These pieces are hardly rare and the watch is going to need a lot of work anyway. There's not going to be much of the original left regardless of who wins if the dial needs reluming, crystal replacing if it doesn't buff out and the movement replacing.
We're not talking about a pristine flight master being cannibalised for parts here. Just an unloved old watch that needs a lot of TLC.
Like my classic cars, this watch is meant to be worn and stand up to a fair amount of wear and tear. Not a beater but not a safe queen either. I'm not sure a nice condition DON bezel would be right for this.
And I certainly don't have the funds to buy any moonwatch outright right now with covid having f****d my business.
This watch is for me to keep, not a quick polish and flip. I honestly don't see where the harm is, especially if the bezel goes to a good home and ends up on a cherished vintage speedy.
Unlikely I'll win it anyway but at least I can daydream for a few days about owning a classic speedy once again!
Peace ✌️
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·And I certainly don't have the funds to buy any moonwatch outright right now with covid having f****d my business.
Also, no one said the movement had to be replaced so where/how did you come to that conclusion? It has a damaged pusher that needs to be replaced. Not an issue. When movements go through servicing, damaged parts get replaced. Not an issue. ReLume happens all the time. Not an issue. This does not create a franken watch.
Parting the watch with it’s time correct bezel just so you can “afford” it and putting an incorrect bezel on in its place is a poor decision all around.
Unlikely I'll win it anyway but at least I can daydream for a few days about owning a classic speedy once again!
What @Dan S said is blunt but true. I hope you don’t get it either 👍
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Elitr6
·This hardly seems like the right time to be putting in offers for a watch then, yeah?
Wow. Tough crowd. I hope you're feeding the horse you rode in on enough hay because he must be mighty tall!
Thanks for the moral support and financial advice, I'm very grateful.
I'll never understand how people get so worked up online. I'm sure you're all lovely peeps in real life.
The whole thing is hypothetical. If I win the watch, if it needs a load of work done, etc. Maybe I'll get it for a song and it only needs a bit of polywatch and a wind. Maybe it needs a lot more than that and it's reassuring to know that there are options available.
I've always been drawn to vintage watches, shame they've become investment grade status symbols and are getting more and more out of reach for regular folk like myself.
I continue to believe that you're all well-meaning and really it's only a watch. If you want to berate and belittle someone, how about you hunt down the PO who abandoned the watch years ago.
Give your horse a pat on the neck for me, cheers
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mr_yossarian
·I placed a bid and I know of someone else who did. Both of us won't need or want break it up or sell the bezel, but like it for what it is. This one is not going to be a bargain but a vintage piece with adequate pricing..not even counting in the 25% premium on top yet.
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Elitr6
·I placed a bid and I know of someone else who did. Both of us won't need or want break it up or sell the bezel, but like it for what it is. This one is not going to be a bargain but a vintage piece with adequate pricing..not even counting in the 25% premium on top yet.
I'm sure loads of people are bidding on it. Last one I bid on went for 4 times the estimate and looked rough as hell. It's the problem with the Internet, everyone is a potential buyer.
Bring back the small ads in the local paper!
Good luck with the auction 😀
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·IMHO, That’s a decent watch, in all likelihood, and not one deserving to be pulled apart and partially sold off because the purchaser couldn’t afford it otherwise. Of course, if you get it, it’s your property and you can do as you wish.
The advice you’ve been given (you’re welcome) has been good and valuable.
Serious collectors would not do what you’re proposing. It’s not a close call. I think anyone coming here, asking for advice like yourself ought to be informed of that.
BTW, I don’t think anyone has been insulting to you.
And, if the watch has been “unloved” (and therefore, I guess, deserving of being pulled apart), I don’t see evidence of that in the photos.
The advice you’ve been given (you’re welcome) has been good and valuable.
Serious collectors would not do what you’re proposing. It’s not a close call. I think anyone coming here, asking for advice like yourself ought to be informed of that.
BTW, I don’t think anyone has been insulting to you.
And, if the watch has been “unloved” (and therefore, I guess, deserving of being pulled apart), I don’t see evidence of that in the photos.
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·Bit strong dont you think ? These pieces are hardly rare and the watch is going to need a lot of work anyway. There's not going to be much of the original left regardless of who wins if the dial needs reluming, crystal replacing if it doesn't buff out and the movement replacing.
We're not talking about a pristine flight master being cannibalised for parts here. Just an unloved old watch that needs a lot of TLC.
Like my classic cars, this watch is meant to be worn and stand up to a fair amount of wear and tear. Not a beater but not a safe queen either. I'm not sure a nice condition DON bezel would be right for this.
And I certainly don't have the funds to buy any moonwatch outright right now with covid having f****d my business.
This watch is for me to keep, not a quick polish and flip. I honestly don't see where the harm is, especially if the bezel goes to a good home and ends up on a cherished vintage speedy.
Unlikely I'll win it anyway but at least I can daydream for a few days about owning a classic speedy once again!
Peace ✌️
The "like my classic cars ..." part caught my interest.
What cars do you have? I'd love to see pictures of them.
I'm into cars and watches, so I can relate.
Also, I sold my 145.022-69-ST last year and bought a much better 145.022-68-ST, so I'm familiar with that era of Speedy Pro's.
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Elitr6
·Serious collectors would not do what you’re proposing. It’s not a close call. I think anyone coming here, asking for advice like yourself ought to be informed of that.
Thanks, that's put in a much more positive way. Words like "shameful" aren't very encouraging. I don't plan on becoming a serious collector, just an amateur enthusiast who appreciates 60s mechanical watches for what they are, beautiful feats of engineering and classic designs. This forum is a broad church and I hope it stays that way.
The "like my classic cars ..." part caught my interest.
What cars do you have? I'd love to see pictures of them.
I'm into cars and watches, so I can relate.
Also, I sold my 145.022-69-ST last year and bought a much better 145.022-68-ST, so I'm familiar with that era of Speedy Pro's.
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Sure thing, hopefully it can help inject some positive vibes back into this thread.
1956 TR3 but with engine bored out to 2.2L, hs6 carbs and fast road cam. It's been stuck in my (tiny) garage for a few weeks while I fit a recon 4 synchro gearbox with overdrive (I had a 3 synchro non OD box before).
And there's the Landy, my 1970 period Dormobile conversion. One of only a few hundred with a straight six built. Silky smooth!
All cars have electronic ignition, uprated fuseboxes, extra relays and other sensible upgrades to keep them safe and reliable.
My everyday watch is a BB58B, it's perfect for me. I find the modern speedy pros leave me a bit cold but the bb58 exudes warmth and charm.
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