Opinions - Just got my Speedmaster Pro serviced, appears to be losing time...

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Given how much servicing costs I think a timegrapher is an excellent investment so you can check your watches before and after service.
 
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good article on timegraphers here: http://www.wristtimes.com/blog-1/2014/6/24/how-to-use-a-timegrapher
This is the same one I bought.

Well....some errors in that article so I would take what is said there with a grain of salt for sure. For example:

"Most modern watches have a lift angle of 52 degrees."

ETA is the most widely used Swiss movement maker, and no ETA movement I can think of uses 52 degree lift angle. Rolex uses it, and this person seems to be Rolex centric based on the photos, so I suspect that's why he says this.

"Some other settings are present, for instance the new Omega Co-Axial movement angle is 30 degrees."

This is wrong on one level and potentially misleading on another. First, Omega co-axial watches use 38 degrees lift angle, not 30. Second, even if you had the right lift angle, without a special programming mode for co-axial movements that these cheap machines do not have, you won't get the correct lift angle on a co-axial watch anyway.

And he really doesn't teach you much about how to really use the machine. As we have seen in several threads discussing this, getting one of these machines can lead to more questions than answers. Not always a bad thing, but if you get one of these machines, you really need to learn how to use it properly to get anything from the numbers you see.

Cheers, Al
 
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Machine timing and wrist wear maybe not always line up because each position is timed in a controlled state. If you wear it and it is angled in positions where timing is negative then it will show more time loss because COSC is an average of the 5 positions. It should be close but slight variances
 
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Machine timing and wrist wear maybe not always line up because each position is timed in a controlled state. If you wear it and it is angled in positions where timing is negative then it will show more time loss because COSC is an average of the 5 positions. It should be close but slight variances

I understand what you're saying, and I've had "watchmakers" tell me that 30 seconds a day for a vintage watch is perfectly acceptable... but a consistent 20 seconds a day for this consumer Is Just Wrong.

Tom
 
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I understand what you're saying, and I've had "watchmakers" tell me that 30 seconds a day for a vintage watch is perfectly acceptable... but a consistent 20 seconds a day for this consumer Is Just Wrong.

Tom

It's not 20 seconds, per this post he made a while back:

"Ok, after setting to the second with time.gov and letting exactly 24 hrs pass, my watch lost 9-10 seconds."

And I don't think anyone has said 20 seconds off per day would be okay...
 
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It's not 20 seconds, per this post he made a while back:

"Ok, after setting to the second with time.gov and letting exactly 24 hrs pass, my watch lost 9-10 seconds."

And I don't think anyone has said 20 seconds off per day would be okay...

Just to clarify as well, my watch isn't vintage at all. It was sold new in '09. And yep, it appears to be between 9-11 seconds slow per day. It loses almost the exact same whether I'm at my desk all day, or out running around.
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Sounds then like +10 adjustment for wear is in order?

Tom

Sounds then like +10 adjustment for wear is in order?

Tom

Yeah, right around there. I'll confirm after my vacation by wearing it for a week and my normal job. That way I'll know what's actually normal for me.
 
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Another update: After wearing it for 3 days straight (75 hrs to be exact) and not paying attention to it at all, I checked it against the atomic clock today. I lost exactly 1 min 5 seconds (65 seconds). Again, this was being out and about almost the entire time. No desk diving at all. Wound every day upon waking.
 
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So almost 22 spd slow. I don't know what you paid for the service, but it sounds like a swish & lube job that didn't find/repair a problem. If it were mine, it would be on its way to Omega via a boutique for a full service. If it's not right when it comes back, or even if it drifts off months later, you won't get any static about sending it back. BTDT unfortunately, but it always ended well.

One thing of concern here is your statements about how much the watch is varying. You've gone from 20 spd to 9-11, and now back to around 20. Maybe the watch actually is that inconsistent, or maybe the inconsistency is in your checking methods. No way for us to determine that...

Stu
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Hey Stu, yeah I'm starting to feel like I got hosed as well. What do ya mean by BTDT?

As for my testing methods, it's pretty cut and dry. Set it to the atomic clock, check again later against the atomic clock. I use time.gov. Not much room for error. I had it set to the second 3 days ago. So I know it's exactly 65 seconds slow.

I wonder what my options are with my local guy? Just out that money? I got a little worried when he said "yeah I noticed my Rolex was running slow a few days ago, so I put it in the cleaner this morning." The words "put it in the cleaner" didn't exactly instill confidence.
 
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BTDT = Been there, done that. One watch took three trips to the service center before they finally found the bad part (wouldn't tell me what) that was causing the watch to stop randomly. It's been +2 seconds per day ever since. This guy put an assembled movement in an ultrasonic to fix slow running? I think you may be better off just taking it on the chin and not going back. I'm sure Archer will have a comment on that...

Stu
 
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I don't think anyone said it was put in the cleaning machine fully assembled, so I think assuming that is the full extent of the cleaning to be done is a bit much.

Rolex does in fact advocate something called "pre-cleaning" where any parts that would be damaged by cleaning solutions are removed (dial, hands, date indicators, etc.) and the assembled movement is cleaned. Then the movement is taken apart, and cleaned in a disassembled state before being put back together. Rolex feels this will allow easier checking and adjusting of things like end shakes (they are known for having end shake issues right from the factory) and being able to see wear better. Personally I don't follow this procedure, because seeing the products of wear in the movement can tell me a lot about potential problems, so cleaning it before taking it apart is washing away clues to potential problems for me.

If you have been convinced or have convinced yourself that the watchmaker is not competent, then find someone else who you feel is. Certainly doesn't have to be Omega as this is not a terribly complicated movement to service all things considered.

If you are willing to give the guy another shot, then take it back and tell him your long term testing is showing a loss, and have him check it again. I have no idea what sort of warranty or promises were made with regards to the timekeeping, so hopefully this was clearly talked about before you left him your watch.

Cheers, Al
 
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Chickenman26 - No, I can't say for sure that's what he did. In fact, I highly doubt it...it's just when he said that, it made me kind of wonder what he was saying.

Archer - I am going to give the guy another shot. If everyone expected me to do my job perfect the first time without any room for error or troubleshooting (I'm an IT guy) I wouldn't have many customers any more. I'm honestly hoping he just needs to take another look and will figure it out. He's been in business for 25 years. If he was no good, I'd be surprised to see him still making a go of it. I just want my watch to work as it should. Not Quartz accuracy, but within specs.

Thanks guys!
 
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Another update: I'm back from vacation. The watch continued to lose between 9-20 seconds per day while being worn on vacation. I took it to the shop and the watchmaker seemed genuinely concerned and surprised with this. I asked what his watch service entails. He said he completely disassembles the movement and puts the parts through an ultrasonic cleaner. He made sure to mention the movement is completely torn down and the individual parts are cleaned seperately. He then reassembles and lubes everything. This was good to hear.

He said he'll tear down again, re-clean, and reassemble, paying very close attention to some common trouble areas. He didn't believe he missed anything, but also said its certainly possible. I understand we're all human. Before I left, he said he's confident he'll get it sorted out. I told him to keep the watch as long needed so he can thoroughly test. I'm happy with how things went. I'm sure he'll get it figured out.