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Omega Speedy 145.012-67

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Hello OF!

It has been a while until I had the funds for a new purchase. Anyways, I think the moment is finally here. I'm in the market for something a bit older now, (my last one was 145.022-69) and I found this 145.012-67. After going over the pics here are my observations:

Dial: Stepped dial and applied logo. Markers and lume, it's hard to see, but they don't look like they have been messed with. Wide spaced swiss made t’s.
Hands: Looks like they match the rest of the watch. Chrono can be either spear and square end. so we are good
Case: Asymmetric case it doesn't look like polishing is an issue.
Bezel: Black base 500 bezel with dot over 90 a little beat up but not too bad.
Pushers and crown: Here is where I'm insured. Pictures are hard for me to see.
Within serial range: 2655xxxx

Am I missing anything else? I appreciate any input or advice. Here are the pics:
Thanks

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Dan S
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Only the last photo (the movement shot) is showing up for me.
 
Dan S
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It's hard to see the lume on the dial. Either it is extremely light, or a lot of it is missing.
 
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The price?
Service crown?
The lume appears to have been removed or has come off.
Let me guess the asking price... $6800
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kingsrider kingsrider
The price?
Service crown?
The lume appears to have been removed or has come off.
Let me guess the asking price... $6800

Seller is asking 5K USD. I will ask for a better dial picture.
 
Dan S
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It's a later crown, there's no doubt. Don't go by a thread from 2013. Anyway, the issue is really the dial.
 
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I like the bracelet on this one
it looks like a flightmaster bracelet, not a speedmaster issue in any case.

certainly looks like most of the lume is gone, if that is important to you is a question only you can answer.
 
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J joe band
it looks like a flightmaster bracelet, not a speedmaster issue in any case.

certainly looks like most of the lume is gone, if that is important to you is a question only you can answer.
This is a JM (Joskes Mexico) Jubilee bracelet.
Dial lume is totally gone on this one. Always a pass for me.
What’s the point in buying a vintage watch when all of the patina has been washed away?
 
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ndgal ndgal
This is a JM (Joskes Mexico) Jubilee bracelet.
Dial lume is totally gone on this one. Always a pass for me.
What’s the point in buying a vintage watch when all of the patina has been washed away?

Well the point is because you can own a reference you might otherwise not be able to afford. Luckily the world is full of different tastes.

Out of interest, what do we think this watch would be worth with attractive dial and lume? Just how much more than the asking I wonder? And can you find it?

This is a perfect candidate for one of the re lume geniuses out there.

There is nothing wrong with pursuing perfection, but at $5,000 and without a gun or lying to a bereaved relative, it is unlikely. In an ideal world my feeling is that at $4,000 then there would be plenty of dibs, so 5,000 might be a sensible ask to start.

What other 145.012's can anyone find asking 5k?

Pre Covid, 5000 is cheap if it gets an extract. Now we do not know, but to be honest I have not yet seen the price dip or interest waning that I feared.
 
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Totally agree that the missing lume is the main problem, bezel also doesn't look too attractive

Good on this one is the case which looks excellent to me and the pushers which seem to be the original ones,

Movement also looks good.

If your budget is limited to around 5K USD for a -67 this one isn't too bad.

Maybe the is still some room for negotiation and you could think about reluming
 
Davidt
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The lume is certainly absent and many of the parts such as the bezel are very average.

As @Spacefruit says, watches such as these can be a cheap way to buy a particular reference but you should also consider longer term ownership and enjoyment.

On one hand, a full service, new crystal, case clean and dial relume will improve this watch significantly. However, this will be getting towards 1k to achieve and in a year or so when you've saved up extra cash you may end up looking at it thinking "I wish I'd waited and bought a better example".

Perhaps not, as above, a good relume will make a massive difference and perhaps you'll be more than happy. However, it's very subjective and you'll need to decide whether your preferences lie.
 
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Spacefruit Spacefruit
Well the point is because you can own a reference you might otherwise not be able to afford. Luckily the world is full of different tastes.

Out of interest, what do we think this watch would be worth with attractive dial and lume? Just how much more than the asking I wonder? And can you find it?

This is a perfect candidate for one of the re lume geniuses out there.

There is nothing wrong with pursuing perfection, but at $5,000 and without a gun or lying to a bereaved relative, it is unlikely. In an ideal world my feeling is that at $4,000 then there would be plenty of dibs, so 5,000 might be a sensible ask to start.

What other 145.012's can anyone find asking 5k?

Pre Covid, 5000 is cheap if it gets an extract. Now we do not know, but to be honest I have not yet seen the price dip or interest waning that I feared.


Personally I cannot enjoy a vintage watch with a washed dial no matter how cheap it is.

I would also argue that buying any collectible in poor or less than average condition is not a smart decision at any time, especially in an uncertain financial environment.

If a buyer is working with a limited budget, I would always recommend focusing on the best condition reference that their budget can allow them.
With a 5K budget I would rather own a minty 145.022-74 or even a 3592.50 than a beat up 145.012 with a washed dial.
It is all personal preference at the end.

As B.F. said: “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.”
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ndgal ndgal
This is a JM (Joskes Mexico) Jubilee bracelet.
Dial lume is totally gone on this one. Always a pass for me.
What’s the point in buying a vintage watch when all of the patina has been washed away?
were these ever standard for a speedy? i thought they were for other lines
 
ndgal
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were these every standard for a speedy? i thought they were for other lines
You mostly see these on watches sold in Mexico and south America.
I am willing to bet that if an extract is pulled for this watch is will show delivery to Mexico.
 
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ndgal ndgal
You mostly see these on watches sold in Mexico and south America.
I am willing to bet that if an extract is pulled for this watch is will show delivery to Mexico.
thanks for the info.
 
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