Omega Speedmaster stepped dial?

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Jorisvp

·Dec 5, 2020

Hi all,

I am considering going to an auction for an Omega Speedmaster 145.022 69ST. I have not yet seen the watch as viewing days are prohibited due to the COVID situation in my country. So, until the auction day, I have to base my judgement on the listed pictures.

What concerns me about this watch is the dial. A 145.022 68ST Speedmaster should have a stepped dial. However, I am not sure whether this watch has had a replacement in the past. I know that the step can be difficult to identify, as the later dials can show a pronounced change in plane. Therefore, I am wondering whether a more experienced eye sees a clear step in these pictures.

Also, if you find something else suspicious about this watch, I would be very thankful if you could share this with me. This would be my first expensive watch purchase, so I find it a little exciting.

Many thanks

 

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BlackTalon

·Dec 5, 2020·This Space for Rent

The last dial photo, the one taken from the left, clearly shows a step. The other photos are tough to tell anything, but that one is pretty definitive.

 

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janice&fred

·Dec 5, 2020

In the last dial picture it does look stepped.

Edit: I see blacktalon and I were typing at the same time 😁

 

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Jorisvp

·Dec 5, 2020

Thanks Blacktalon and Janice&Fred! I thought it was really difficult to assess, great you shared your knowledge with me. In my opinion, the watch looks unpolished, and I love the 1039 bracelet. What is the maximum price that I should offer? I was thinking 5-6k.

 

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BlackTalon

·Dec 5, 2020·This Space for Rent

With the bracelet I think you will need to be in that range.

 

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mountainunder

·Dec 5, 2020

You can refer to @Spacefruit informative site to list for pricing.
https://speedmaster101.com/price-chart-2/

 

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Jorisvp

·Dec 5, 2020

Thank you for sending me this link! Very informative data. I might want to consider lowering my maximum offer.

 

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BlackTalon

·Dec 5, 2020·This Space for Rent

The Speedmaster101 prices are watch head only. You need to add in the value of the bracelet and end links, which is >$1,000

 

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PIPPO5

·Dec 6, 2020

Correct step dial

 

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Jorisvp

·Dec 6, 2020

BlackTalon

The Speedmaster101 prices are watch head only. You need to add in the value of the bracelet and end links, which is >$1,000

Ah heads only, that makes sense. Hard to tell what the condition of the watch is.. I would assess it as "good", so my maximum should be approximately $5500 (=€4500). Do you agree?

If you, or anyone else, know(s) anyone in Europe who is happy to sell a good/very good/excellent pre-moon, I would be happy to get in touch with this person. Also earlier versions with applied logo (which I actually like more) are welcome. I prefer the (various) flat-link bracelets that are correct to the watch.

Thanks

Edited: Dec 6, 2020

 

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BlackTalon

·Dec 6, 2020·This Space for Rent

I would want to see photos that are not overexposed like these in order to judge better what it may be worth. I would especially want a photo of the dial taken straight on, and some taken directly from the sides to better see the brushing (and if it looks newly applied as part of a case 'refinish' done as prep for the sale). The caseback is a bit worn/ polished, and the lines on the midcase between pushers look like there may be some odd/ poor polishing. My feeling at this point is between fair and good, plus another $1,200 for the bracelet and end links, but I personally would not be able to decide how high to bid based on these photos.

 

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bjhove

·Dec 6, 2020

I hardly doubt that you would be able to find a 145012 at that price (4500 EUR). Speedmaster 101 says appzx. 9000 Usd for a piece in good condition (head only), and I think that reflect the price level very well.

 

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Jorisvp

·Dec 6, 2020

BlackTalon

I would want to see photos that are not overexposed like these in order to judge better what it may be worth. I would especially want a photo of the dial taken straight on, and some taken directly from the sides to better see the brushing (and if it looks newly applied as part of a case 'refinish' done as prep for the sale). The caseback is a bit worn/ polished, and the lines on the midcase between pushers look like there may be some odd/ poor polishing. My feeling at this point is between fair and good, plus another $1,200 for the bracelet and end links, but I personally would not be able to decide how high to bid based on these photos.

Thank you for your assessment. I will reconsider whether I am going to bid on this watch. Thanks.

 

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Jorisvp

·Dec 6, 2020

bjhove

I hardly doubt that you would be able to find a 145012 at that price (4500 EUR). Speedmaster 101 says appzx. 9000 Usd for a piece in good condition (head only), and I think that reflect the price level very well.

Thank you for your comment. I mentioned this price for the watch in the pictures I posted. I am aware that a different price range applies to the 145.012.

Edited: Dec 6, 2020

 

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bjhove

·Dec 6, 2020

Good luck, hope you'll be able to find a nice watch at a reasonable price

 

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Jorisvp

·Dec 6, 2020

Thanks! I hope to find one on this forum if the auction does not work out. So I will check the sales category regularly 😀.

 

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Jorisvp

·Dec 15, 2020

The watch is up for auction today. Current pre-bid is EUR 4k / USD 4.9k (incl. fees EUR 4.9k/ USD 6k).

The pictures in the link might be sharper than the ones I posted here: https://veiling.veilinghuisderuiter...ga-speedmaster-145022-69-herenhorloge-ca-1969

Do these pictures change your assessment?

 

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Jorisvp

·Dec 15, 2020

Watch has been sold for EUR 6.3k / USD 7.6k. I have chosen not to bid on this watch. Many thanks for the advice anyways!

 

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worldwidewes

·Dec 15, 2020

It looks stepped to me. If you're unsure, I'd look at Speedmaster101.com for more info on stepped dials, or email the auction house for clearer photos.