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·They’re not new old stock vintage parts. They’re just new ‘service’ stock, modern parts
Omega Speedmaster case advice
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Conmcn
·They’re not new old stock vintage parts. They’re just new ‘service’ stock, modern parts
I'm not convinced about the case as its described as used and new in the listing when you dig around a bit.
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Dan S
·Either fake or badly polished.
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Davidt
·Modern Omega service cases have subtler differences but they are there. I don’t think it’s fake or repolished. They often don’t look as sharp as you’d expect. If you compare to ‘watchco’ sm300 cases, they always look a bit soft as well
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NotJackson
·The seller claims that they are authentic Omega, but I think the consensus here is that they are aftermarket. See this thread:
https://omegaforums.net/posts/2169100/
Because of the odd spacing in the word ; Missio ns , to me the case back at least is an aftermarket part as discussed in another thread here as well
Ron_W ·
Thanks @Scarecrow Boat appreciate the quick reply!
@masteroftime please excuse me if I caused any offense, it was not my intention, just trying to do some due diligence. I’ll send a PM over about the case.
Because of the odd spacing in the word ; Missio ns , to me the case back at least is an aftermarket part as discussed in another thread here as well
I bought one of this guys casebacks before noticing the odd spacing in the word “MISSIONS.” Now it burns me up every time I look at it.
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Yes, you can find decent midcases. And you can certainly find unused service cases. However, I probably wouldn't replace the LE case.
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nkhandekar
·Listen to Spacefruit: This is serious advice from a serious collector.
My thoughts are along the same lines, enjoy this watch and wear it without worrying about dinging it up. It's a liberating feeling. There is nothing deserving of regret in this purchase. Have fun and learn for the next Speedmaster you buy.
My thoughts are along the same lines, enjoy this watch and wear it without worrying about dinging it up. It's a liberating feeling. There is nothing deserving of regret in this purchase. Have fun and learn for the next Speedmaster you buy.
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Conaire McNeary
·Sound advice, thanks all for the input.
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Conaire McNeary
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I saw this after posting the link and the alarm bells started ringing. I asked the seller and he says that’s a protective plastic film and not the hesalite. Regardless I’m not looking anymore
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Davidt
·I’m gonna say that I think the case is genuine. But it’s new, not NOS.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI’m gonna say that I think the case is genuine. But it’s new, not NOS.
I also see from the inside of the case, that the case tube may not be soldered in place. You can usually see evidence of the solder, like this:
Not seeing that here:
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MEGAmole
·I bought a Speedmaster a couple of months ago, and wore it two weeks before I dinged the bezel edge and put a nick in the side of the case. I'd wear your watch and enjoy it as-is. Unless you want to keep it as a case queen, or you live inside a bubble it'll get worn quickly.
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Davidt
·The eBay case? I see marks on the lugs that look like they might be from bracelet end links, plus some wear along one side, and some questionable finishing.
I also see from the inside of the case, that the case tube may not be soldered in place. You can usually see evidence of the solder, like this:
Not seeing that here:
Yes the eBay case (although I’m not saying it brand new/unworn, when I say new, what I should say is ‘modern’).
I’ve seen service cases in the past that were very similar and overall it looks right to me. Many ‘WatchCo’ or recent build sm300’s seem to share this questionable polishing on a new case.
You will have handled countless more service cases than I so I’ll defer to your experience if you think it’s fake. However, this thread seems to have decided it’s fake without any evidence or reasoning, prior to you sharing the photo of the lack of solder around the tube.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerYes the eBay case (although I’m not saying it brand new/unworn, when I say new, what I should say is ‘modern’).
I’ve seen service cases in the past that were very similar and overall it looks right to me. Many ‘WatchCo’ or recent build sm300’s seem to share this questionable polishing on a new case.
You will have handled countless more service cases than I so I’ll defer to your experience if you think it’s fake. However, this thread seems to have decided it’s fake without any evidence or reasoning, prior to you sharing the photo of the lack of solder around the tube.
If you look at the face of the pushers that are towards the case in the cropped photo I showed above, the machining is very "flat" or "square" and this resembles some fake pushers that were on a case that was sent to me. That is on the right, where the genuine pusher cap on the left has a more rounded and finished surface.
The pusher screws also look crude to me...again genuine on the left...
The head of the screw looks crudely made and the slot is quite wide. Again not saying it's 100%, but it just has an overall look that doesn't look right to me.
The fact that you have seen new Watchco style builds that also look questionable in terms of polishing, would be another red flag, because the market is full of fakes of those SM300 cases, and very few real new cases.
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·The fact that you have seen new Watchco style builds that also look questionable in terms of polishing, would be another red flag, because the market is full of fakes of those SM300 cases, and very few real new cases.
I agree with the general premise here but disagree with the conclusion. We know that SM300’s are highly faked and at the minute there are many more fake cases available than genuine on the open market. However, the fake sm300 cases are really poor and easy to identify if you have a basic knowledge of what a genuine case looks like.
Presumably part of the reason sm300’s are so highly faked when compared to speedmasters is the ready availability of cheap, genuine 55x and 56x Omega movements. They can be had for less than £200. The same can’t be said for genuine 861 movements.
So, if the fakers can’t get close with the mass produced sm300 cases that are currently flooding the market, I’d be surprised if they could make such a good effort with a much more uncommon fake Speedmaster case.
I do take your points on the pushers and screws so I’ll revise my opinion to say I still think it’s genuine but more pictures and detail are needed and I wouldn’t advise anyone to buy it based on my opinion as clearly there’s uncertainty.
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NotJackson
·The guy who sells this mid case also sells a complete case - mid case, pushers, bezel, caseback, etc. It has the caseback with the obvious spacing issue (“MISSIO NS”) in the lettering. As I noted earlier, I stupidly bought one for my Speedmaster Tintin Mod (and changed the paintfill to red):
At some point I’ll replace this … it annoys the hell out of me. Here’s the question, though … would Omega manufacture a service caseback with this flaw? And if not - meaning that the caseback is bogus - wouldn’t that call everything else he sells into question?
At some point I’ll replace this … it annoys the hell out of me. Here’s the question, though … would Omega manufacture a service caseback with this flaw? And if not - meaning that the caseback is bogus - wouldn’t that call everything else he sells into question?
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Davidt
·I’d say if that case is fake it would bring about questions as to the rest of their stock.
But other than the spacing being slightly off, what is the evidence this is a fake case? I don’t know the first thing about Tin Tins or their service cases so I’ve no idea if this is a known fake or just something people Think may be an issue with no evidence either way.
The recent Snoopy thread has shown that expecting 1:1 parts, even when broadly contemporary isn’t necessarily true.
But other than the spacing being slightly off, what is the evidence this is a fake case? I don’t know the first thing about Tin Tins or their service cases so I’ve no idea if this is a known fake or just something people Think may be an issue with no evidence either way.
The recent Snoopy thread has shown that expecting 1:1 parts, even when broadly contemporary isn’t necessarily true.
