Omega Speedmaster cal.321 Blue Grey Dial

The Master of Speed · Mar 18, 2015

in this post I want to make a classification of the various types of dials existing.

There are 2 types of blue soleil dial:

-soft sunburst grey/blueish (NO-Professional and Professional) - Long index

observed on references 105.003-65 and 145.012-67-68

1966-Omega-Speedmaster-ref.-105.003-65-cal.-321-s.n.-24mil-with-bracelet-ref.-7912-end-link-n.6-delivered-to-the-UK-in-1966-Special-Sunburst-Soleil-Grey-Bluish-long-index-dial-8.jpg

-strong sunburst blue for reference (NO-Professional and Professional) - Short index

observed on references 105.003-65 and 145.012-67-68

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There are another type, much less known, qith differ glossy paint and Bluish/Grey shade, called by Omega archive "Silvered Light Grey".

(NO-Professional and Professional - with asymmetrical T or without

observed from 2998-4 to 145012-68

details on these dial:
-the second/minute track more large
-consequently the minute hand looks away from the minute track
-tritium indices just lean on the step dial also minute track more distant from the step.
-2998 type font (semi-oval O)

2998

105.003

105.012

kyle L · Mar 18, 2015

One more I saw on ebay:

oddboy · Mar 18, 2015

kyle L
One more I saw on ebay:

@kyle L , recently?!

kyle L · Mar 18, 2015

oddboy
@kyle L , recently?!

Yes but listing was pulled early. I managed to save some pictures.

AAAKK · Mar 18, 2015

Interesting post, thanks. That 105.003 from Doctor Steel is unbelievable.

Spacefruit · Mar 18, 2015

AAAKK · Mar 18, 2015

Spacefruit

Ok, that's just ridiculous...

oddboy · Mar 18, 2015

kyle L
Yes but listing was pulled early. I managed to save some pictures.

Damn.

was there actually a blue dial 105.00x? Or is that aging that does that?

datniche27 · Mar 18, 2015

Amazing post, very much enjoyed that!

Bienne2998 · Mar 19, 2015

really fantastic pieces. than for sharing the picture and the knowledge. I assume there has to be a follow-up of THE BOOK soon...

Temiyasen · Mar 19, 2015

Me too....want to know .....Is that blue from their birth or because of its age ??? BUT It looks really really gooood .

speedy4ever · Mar 19, 2015

Temiyasen
Me too....want to know .....Is that blue from their birth or because of its age ??? BUT It looks really really gooood .

Thank you Matteo, you did a tremendous work on those dials.
To me there are clearly two types, which are very different. The first 2 examples, the one we describe in the book, are soleil dial and more blue. Their short indexes, as well as distant Ts probably mean they were produced later (end 60´s?) and correspond to tests that have not resulted in mass production (as racing dials). Dials of the second type have all age characteristics of their corresponding classical black and were likely produced at the same time. But the difference of position of the indexes show they are not just standard dials that turned grey-blue, but are really different. As we can find them from 2998 to 145.012 means probably they were not test dials, but no explanation of their origin so far.

Speedmaster world is full of surprises

Tom Dick · Mar 19, 2015

This is an awesome post, I've had a keen interest in these Blue dials of late 😉 personally they do nothing for me and I can't see the outrageous price increase based on the dial, but then thats why I don't predominantly collect speedies. Superb research and knowledge and this is exactly why I love the forum and have virtually jumped ship completely from the others! Great work and thanks for your effort to educate the community

Spacefruit · Mar 19, 2015

Other forums?

Some (mostly made up) reasons I no longer have the energy for other forums

"Does the brand new PO make me look fat?"

"help! I scratched my watch!"

"Disaster! I can't decide between two identical, mass produced watches!"

MOD message: "you have deeply offended a small minority of rolex collectors by making fun of their milk collection and so you are banned"

ock2915 · Mar 19, 2015

!what a superb post! , thanks a lot for sharing , some incredible watches 👍

yinzerniner · Mar 19, 2015

I've always wondered whether these blue dials were actually blue or "blue" due to their finishes being slightly off. Thanks for the informative post.

The Master of Speed · Mar 21, 2015

speedy4ever
Thank you Matteo, you did a tremendous work on those dials.
To me there are clearly two types, which are very different. The first 2 examples, the one we describe in the book, are soleil dial and more blue. Their short indexes, as well as distant Ts probably mean they were produced later (end 60´s?) and correspond to tests that have not resulted in mass production (as racing dials). Dials of the second type have all age characteristics of their corresponding classical black and were likely produced at the same time. But the difference of position of the indexes show they are not just standard dials that turned grey-blue, but are really different. As we can find them from 2998 to 145.012 means probably they were not test dials, but no explanation of their origin so far.

Speedmaster world is full of surprises

Correct! Grazie Greg!

Thanks to all!

lillatroll · Mar 21, 2015

Sorry for asking a stupid question, but what does " out of line" refer to?
Some lovely watches here,I don t think I will ever want one personally but I can understand why so many people love these iconic watches

Slevin kelevra · Mar 21, 2015

Spacefruit
Other forums?

Some (mostly made up) reasons I no longer have the energy for other forums

"Does the brand new PO make me look fat?"

"help! I scratched my watch!"

"Disaster! I can't decide between two identical, mass produced watches!"

MOD message: "you have deeply offended a small minority of rolex collectors by making fun of their milk collection and so you are banned"

Which watch can I buy today and sell for a profit next week?

Watch X is heavier than a Rolex so it must be better right?

The Master of Speed · Mar 22, 2015

Another clear example of the first series glossy blue/grey (wrong hands)

Omega Speedmaster cal.321 Blue Grey Dial

The Master of Speed

kyle L

oddboy

kyle L

AAAKK

Spacefruit

AAAKK

oddboy

datniche27

Bienne2998

Temiyasen

speedy4ever

Tom Dick

Spacefruit

ock2915

yinzerniner

The Master of Speed

lillatroll

Slevin kelevra

The Master of Speed

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