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Is there something weird going on in the movement shot? It looks like the copper coating is worn away in several places like on the serial and the word 'Swiss'
 
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Is there something weird going on in the movement shot? It looks like the copper coating is worn away in several places like on the serial and the word 'Swiss'

These aren't the droids you're looking for ...
 
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Nice watch. Sounds like you know most of what you need to know.

Hopefully this isn't an attempt at skirting the sales rules.

indirect sale post for lack of minimum posts, and possible soliciting of private messages
 
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Is there something weird going on in the movement shot? It looks like the copper coating is worn away in several places like on the serial and the word 'Swiss'

Look like abrasion marks to me.

 
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Hi Matth,
I have already requested the orginal records from Omega. I will keep everyone posted as soon as I get those.
Thank you.
 
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Hi Oscarman,

I think you have an early 105.003-63. See here.

Best, Matth

Reply from Omega...

Bienne, the 15th of February

YOUR EXTRACT OF THE ARCHIVES HAS BEEN CANCELED

Dear Sir/madam,

Due to the nature of vintage archives in certain cases information has not survived, is unreadable or even missing.

We regret to inform you that unfortunately the provided serial number (20.520.XXX) falls onto that category, so we are unable to issue an Extract of the Archives. Therefore we will issue a full refund of your payment.

We are sorry for the inconvenience.

Best regards,

No comment...
 
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The ref # - year on the inner side of the back cover, the serial # and the symmetrical clutch bridge are good enough for me to believe this is the real thing.

Thank you all for your input.

Regards.
 
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Reply from Omega...

Bienne, the 15th of February

YOUR EXTRACT OF THE ARCHIVES HAS BEEN CANCELED

Dear Sir/madam,

Due to the nature of vintage archives in certain cases information has not survived, is unreadable or even missing.

We regret to inform you that unfortunately the provided serial number (20.520.XXX) falls onto that category, so we are unable to issue an Extract of the Archives. Therefore we will issue a full refund of your payment.

We are sorry for the inconvenience.

Best regards,

No comment...
Very sorry to hear this mate. I spent a couple of months worrying about a similar reply. Fortunately my Extract was available, but I can imagine It must be very frustrating to receive such a reply.
 
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Yes... no fun.

The back cover, the serial # and the symmetrical clutch bridge are enough for me. 😀
 
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Reply from Omega...

Bienne, the 15th of February

YOUR EXTRACT OF THE ARCHIVES HAS BEEN CANCELED

Dear Sir/madam,

Due to the nature of vintage archives in certain cases information has not survived, is unreadable or even missing.

We regret to inform you that unfortunately the provided serial number (20.520.XXX) falls onto that category, so we are unable to issue an Extract of the Archives. Therefore we will issue a full refund of your payment.

We are sorry for the inconvenience.

Best regards,

No comment...


That's actually quite interesting. I also have a 20.520.xxx 105.002 that had its extract refused due to lack of information. Maybe stuff around that range records don't survive...
 
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I am sorry to read that, Ext1...

On the other hand... I am very happy with my watch. And that is all that matters 😀
 
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I have a 105.012-63 serial 205204xx and I also received the same Omega email
" .....in certain cases information has not survived, is unreadable or even missing."
However I was able to find out the following:
Regarding your 105.012-63. There is no production archive as these were assembled at Lemania.
We looked in the delivery books and found this mvt number was delivered to United Kingdom on March 9, 1964.
However, there is no reference number confirmed on this one and that is why they can’t complete an archive extract.


According to MWO the 105.012-63 serial range was 2052 0xxx - 2052 1xxx.
It would be interesting to know what part of the serial range is not available

For the Davidoff Brothers example (serial 20520861), Omega were able to supply an extract
http://www.db1983.com/our-archive/omega-speedmaster-105012-63-1964

So maybe from 205208xx > 20521999 Omega have records of the received Lemania movements paired with the actual watch reference it was used to create, therefore they can supply a complete extract.
Edited:
 
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Hi Oscarman,

I think you have an early 105.003-63. See here.

Best, Matth

It's clearly a 105.012 - 63 😉 Since both were produced at the same time, its make sense they have similar serial ranges.

Nico
 
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So maybe from 205208xx > 20521999 Omega have records of the received Lemania movements paired with the actual watch reference it was used to create, therefore they can supply a complete extract.

That makes sense. I mine is actually a 205206xx, so that sounds plausible to me.
 
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That makes sense. I mine is actually a 205206xx, so that sounds plausible to me.

Mine is 105.033 -63 with Serial 20.522.160 and also no extract available. So maybe the range is larger.

Nico
 
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Mine is 105.033 -63 with Serial 20.522.160 and also no extract available. So maybe the range is larger.

The plot thickens..
But did you mean 20522160? or 20520160?
@Oscarman Would you mind sharing the digit after the 520? Looks like we might be on to something here. (Maybe not.)