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Omega Seamaster GMT "NOT FOR SALE" on lugs

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I recently just purchased an Omega Seamaster GMT 50th Anniversary (2534.50) from a trusted dealer. I got a great price at $1000 considering usually they go for around $2000 and up. The watch also came with the box but no papers.
I was told the watch also had a bit of patina on the markers and a discolored "vintage" bezel, as usually, it would be darker on the night GMT hours:
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I was looking at the case more in depth, and since this is my first Omega, I wasn't aware s/n are supposed to be inside the case. I looked on it and found on 3 of the 4 corners of the case a "NOT FOR SALE", one on each of the corners of the case:
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The watch seems authentic to me, running an Omega 1128. I was wondering if this would be a store model? A fake? Thoughts?
If authentic, do you think I would be able to resell this one day if I wanted to?
 
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Not trying to be rude but why would you think this was a good idea to buy? No serial number, clearly says not for sale. There is a reason it was cheap, it could be stolen from a store. Maybe your dealer isn't actually to be trusted.
 
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Not trying to be rude but why would you think this was a good idea to buy? No serial number, clearly says not for sale. There is a reason it was cheap, it is most likely stolen from a store. Maybe your dealer isn't actually to be trusted.

I totally understand. Not taking it bad... I honestly, and I apologize for being so naive, trusted the seller and he gave me the serial number by looking at the movement. Was sure it was okay... Also the fact I got a box with it, made me think the watch was legit.

I did hear these might be showroom models and that they are sold sometimes. Do you think the watch is actually legit?
 
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Fair enough. The watch serial is normally to be found on the outside too on one of the lugs. I have never seen those markings before, but I don't think it is a good sign to be honest. If there is something to hide though I don't really understand why the dealer didn't just get the marks ground off and sell it as sterile, so perhaps there is another explanation. Your problem will be if it is indeed reported stolen. You may get issues if you sent it to Omega for servicing for instance, possibly a chat with the police may ensue. In your shoes I would be asking some serious questions of the dealer and would want to see proof of provenance as buying stolen goods is not my idea of great way to live.

I may be over reacting and missing something crucial, others will no doubt be along to tell me I have jumped to the wrong conclusion. Lets hope so anyway!
 
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Fair enough. The watch serial is normally to be found on the outside too on one of the lugs. I have never seen those markings before, but I don't think it is a good sign to be honest. If there is something to hide though don't really understand why the dealer didn't just get the marks ground off and sell it as sterile, so perhaps there is another explanation. Your problem will be if it is indeed reported stolen. You may get issues if you sent it to Omega for servicing for instance, possibly a chat with the police may ensue. In your shoes would be asking some serious questions of the dealer and would want to see proof of provenance as buying stolen goods is not my idea of great way to live.

I do have a receipt and a document stating the watch is sold officially by the store (mind you this is a physical store in a city) and that the seller guarantees for the authenticity of the timepiece. I did purchase it in good faith but at this point I think I will just send it back to him.
 
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I do have a receipt and a document stating the watch is sold officially by the store (mind you this is a physical store in a city) and that the seller guarantees for the authenticity of the timepiece. I did purchase it in good faith but at this point I think I will just send it back to him.
That won't protect you if it is indeed stolen, you can't own something that already belongs to someone else. That said, see my edit above, if you do have legal claim to it and own it legitimately then it becomes interesting, as there aren't many out there like it.
 
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I totally understand. Not taking it bad... I honestly, and I apologize for being so naive, trusted the seller and he gave me the serial number by looking at the movement. Was sure it was okay... Also the fact I got a box with it, made me think the watch was legit.

I did hear these might be showroom models and that they are sold sometimes. Do you think the watch is actually legit?
No need to apologize. Watch looks legit. Omega will service it if that's what you want---people inscribe all sorts of things on their watch cases.
 
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No need to apologize. Watch looks legit. Omega will service it if that's what you want---people inscribe all sorts of things on their watch cases.

Well, yes, but I for sure do not want to own a stolen piece and I don't want to participate in these endeavors. That's why I am getting alarmed. It is a weird thing as this was not a purchase from a guy met on the street. This is an actual store that gave me warranty for 12 months on the watch and on its safe and authentic origin.
 
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Omega will service it if that's what you want---people inscribe all sorts of things on their watch cases.

Unless it was Omega who stamped the case NOT FOR SALE, in which case they will likely simply confiscate the watch.
 
ciandro
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I messaged the seller asking for more information on this and its origin. Hopefully there is an explanation.

I looked at the warranty he signed and he states the store guarantees the "authenticity and legitimate origin of the watch", officially signed by him. I purchased it in good faith and I believe him stating this on a document should release me from any responsibility since I really believed I was purchasing a normal watch from a normal used watch jewelry (which has been around for over 100 years btw...).
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That won't protect you if it is indeed stolen, you can't own something that already belongs to someone else. That said, see my edit above, if you do have legal claim to it and own it legitimately then it becomes interesting, as there aren't many out there like it.
Sorry, but isn't he a bona fide purchaser for value?
 
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Sorry, but isn't he a bona fide purchaser for value?
Good point; he may be. Of course, if he attempts to re-sell after notice of its provenance... the purchaser would likely not be.
 
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Sorry, but isn't he a bona fide purchaser for value?
Doesn;t matter if it is a Omega press demo that got stolen or lost and is still Omega Property which is what that engraving looks like to me.
 
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Doesn;t matter if it is a Omega press demo that got stolen or lost and is still Omega Property which is what that engraving looks like to me.
Agree I would not go near this watch, something does not add up.
 
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Sorry, but isn't he a bona fide purchaser for value?
Not sure I understand fully understand this since I'm no lawyer but under English law at least, if the watch turns out to be stolen, it remains the property of the rightful owner and any subsequent purchaser will lose out if the watch is detected by the police or Omega themselves as it will be confiscated without compensation. You would then need to seek recourse from the dealer/seller. There would of course be no case to answer for the theft by a subsequent owner who was ignorant of the original theft but there could be if when purchased, a reasonable person could have been expected to note the markings and become suspicious. It would be a stretch to say you were guilty of receiving stolen goods in that case, but it could be technically argued at least. That said, if it was nicked from a shop, the most likely outcome if detected is simply confiscation.
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Could have once been a production prototype of the watch – I see these all the time with media loan units and such.
 
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Doesn;t matter if it is a Omega press demo that got stolen or lost and is still Omega Property which is what that engraving looks like to me.

Looking at the thread "BREAKING NEWS - 50th Anniversary Apollo 11 in Steel Revealed", Pages 18 and 22 contain photo's of the pre-release/media watches being exhibited which have Not For Sale on the lug where the serial number would be. Tends to support the above. No idea what Omega would do if one of these was sent to them for service and it would certainly put me of buying this watch with the uncertainty around it's ownership. OP I'd look for a refund if possible.
 
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... OP I'd look for a refund if possible.

Agree with you. I don't think this was stolen, but I am going to pursue the refund option.
 
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Could have once been a production prototype of the watch – I see these all the time with media loan units and such.

Most likely a carnet watch - shipped around before the watches are on sale, and used for demonstration, events, and pre launch press loans.

I don't believe there a legitimate way for a consumer to own one of these watches...
 
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Would Omega be happy servicing one of their watches that looks to have been a demo/exhibition unit that's somehow made its way into the general population? If you're worried in anyway, why not contact Omega and ask ASAP so you've a better chance of getting your money back from the seller.
 
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