Omega seamaster 300

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speedamatuer

·Jun 20, 2023

Agree with @kox - I've both seen several examples of this dial for sale in otherwise legit watches, and discussed with him (the subject of which I hope is in the book) - if kox says it's legit you should listen. You've got a nice dial and hands there, enjoy!

 

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Fallout Boy

·Jun 20, 2023

If so: I would like to see the back of the dial as final proof.

 

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kox

·Jun 20, 2023

timoss

Before anyone is too hasty, I think we should hear more from @kox, who definitely knows his 300 stuff. I also think the dial looks suspect, but I would certainly defer to the experts. I wonder if he feels the same after seeing these new pics…?

Thanks. Yes, I still feel the same. It's ok.
I know that if you compare this type of dial to a 'normal' 165.024 dial, it's different in both font, numbers and some other clear indicators... but that's the case. It IS different. Not fake, just different.

 

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td69

·Jun 20, 2023

kox

Thanks. Yes, I still feel the same. It's ok.
I know that if you compare this type of dial to a 'normal' 165.024 dial, it's different in both font, numbers and some other clear indicators... but that's the case. It IS different. Not fake, just different.

I'm with @kox. Below is an example of another 165.024 CB with the same dial style, same hands configuration, cal 550 and 27,9xx serial. This example showed up on eBay a couple years ago in a nice original condition. At the time I had no clue so it was a pass for me.

Notice a wider "E" with the shorter middle baseline and thicker 3, 6, 9 and 12 especially 6 and 9 almost in full circle.

 

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Seaborg

·Jun 20, 2023

Dear @Horologist_Gene, I suggest you to listen to @kox, he knows his Seamaster 300 stuff way better than anyone else here, he is the expert. If he says it's original, it is. And it means I was wrong!

And as my wife says to me all the time :

 

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Fallout Boy

·Jun 20, 2023

1968 model (big triangle) : photo on the bench without (distortion of) glass :

As said before: tell us the production date/ SN of movement and take a look at/show us the back of the dial if possible.
I doubt any "lower" quality of Omega-prints (before 1968??). Omeag can do much better

(personal watches)

Edited: Jun 21, 2023

 

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padders

·Jun 21, 2023·Oooo subtitles!

Is it significant that both examples with the weird dial features have 550 movements so were presumably supplied to the USA?

 

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Fallout Boy

·Jun 21, 2023

No, my shown picture above: .550 and : 27.xxx.xxx 1968, also delivered to USA
IMO: why should OMEGA let pass such dials at the final QC?

Edited: Jun 21, 2023

 

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Knudsen1971

·Jun 21, 2023

With all the respect to experts here, it still looks to me as a redial and hand relume job.
But I`m open to learn new things, if there is a way how to prove this theory.
Maybe it is an early service dial?

 

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Horologist_Gene

·Jun 21, 2023

Here are pictures of the serial number and the back of the dial. Thanks for taking the time. @Fallout Boy @Knudsen1971 @kox @td69 @Seaborg @padders @speedamatuer

 

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Fallout Boy

·Jun 21, 2023

OK 👍 let us discuss 😁 I am willed to learn more.

@kox , @all Maybe we can "discuss" the (laquer??) color of the dial-back.

The SN of my shown photos above differs only by 500!!!

27.116.6xx

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JanV

·Jun 22, 2023

Just to chime in, i see nothing wrong with this dial, to me fully original and would pass as fully original without questioning.

Members here could try to search out topics on aging of the “print stamps” used to make the dial lettering (someone correct me with the correct naming), and the knowledge that as they wore out the print became bigger and bolder.

So as long as they are coherent with “slim fonts” it’s all good to me.

And the “bleed” of the lume also looks correct to me and coherent with other SM300 dials. Not a relumed dial either. A closer picture should reveal a soft puffy surface that i believe i can see already in these pictures.

 

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Knudsen1971

·Jun 22, 2023

Looking into my database, the 271166xx batch falls into the end of OCT69 production for USA with 550 caliber, So far, so good.
The dial back is not showing the usual 68 and 552 stamping, however it doesn`t seem as a fake, I`m still with my theory, that this is early service dial and hands.

 

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Fallout Boy

·Jun 22, 2023

STERN-dial (?)

https://en.worldtempus.com/article/stern-creations-dials-for-the-biggest-watchmakers-13261.html

.550 was only the import "downgrade" so can be "excused"

btw:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-166-024-big-triangle-5900€.160167/#post-2197231

and check my markings above (I changed a color for discussion)

https://omegaforums.net/attachments/dsc_7970-png.1615236/

thanks to @flqt-9000

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Fallout Boy

·Jun 27, 2023

any update in this "case" 😕

This forum is only alife, if things can be discussed with different aspects.

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