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Hello,

Looking for advice on correct bracelet for my Seamaster 120. From research I understand the correct bracelet is an 1171 with 650 endlinks.

I have contacted omega and received a confusing response from my UK Omega service centre, see below (reference numbers follow Omega’s current convention):

“The bracelet for this case is 022ST1171000, and that does not have the 650 end links. The bracelet that does is the 020ST1171650, which is no longer available. However, I see that end links 026ST650 are available to order as a separate item, which may be a solution.”

I was also informed from Omega UK (not service centre) that the correct bracelet is the 022ST1171000 and that end links are not needed. I know this to be incorrect based on my research and photographs.

Lug width is 20mm.

Can anyone shed any light on this please?
 
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I don’t really understand your question but keep in mind that when Omega says “correct” they are referring to what they consider to be the current correct replacement part. Not the original part, which may be out of production.

Please indicate exactly what you are looking for. A modern bracelet that fits the watch, or the original period-correct bracelet? You can also do some quick research for yourself using the forum search function.
 
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I don’t really understand your question but keep in mind that when Omega says “correct” they are referring to what they consider to be the current correct replacement part. Not the original part, which may be out of production.

Please indicate exactly what you are looking for. A modern bracelet that fits the watch, or the original period-correct bracelet? You can also do some quick research for yourself using the forum search function.
I am wondering if anyone can confirm the bracelet reference based on what Omega has told me for the period correct bracelet (1171 with 650 end links as confirmed via period literature).

And also what the difference is between the 022ST1171000 and 020ST1171650?

Plus whether the 026ST650 end links are the same as the origibal “650” end links as per period omega literature.

I have looked on this forum and others and have not been able to find any information that aligns with the current omega references. Hence turning to forum members for their input.
 
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I don’t really understand your question but keep in mind that when Omega says “correct” they are referring to what they consider to be the current correct replacement part. Not the original part, which may be out of production.

Please indicate exactly what you are looking for. A modern bracelet that fits the watch, or the original period-correct bracelet? You can also do some quick research for yourself using the forum search function.
And to be clear what I want is the original, period bracelet if it is still available from Omega.
 
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And to be clear what I want is the original, period bracelet if it is still available from Omega.
By definition, a period correct original bracelet is not available from Omega. However, once you decide what you want, you can hunt down the correct version of the 1171 on the used market.

If you tell us the serial number or year of your watch, we can give you details of the specific 1171 iteration that was original to the watch.

If you are happy with something that will be quite similar, then you should order the bracelet and endlinks you mentioned above. Unless you really educate yourself, any differences would probably not be noticeable. Collectors get very involved in small details, so we prefer to find accessories that are literally from the era of the watch.
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By definition, a period correct original bracelet is not available from Omega. However, once you decide what you want, you can hunt down the correct version of the 1171 on the used market.

If you tell us the serial number or year of your watch, we can give you details of the specific 1171 iteration that was original to the watch.

If you are happy with something that will be quite similar, then you should order the bracelet and endlinks you mentioned above. Unless you really educate yourself, any differences would probably not be noticeable. Collectors get very involved in small details, so we prefer to find accessories that are literally from the era of the watch.
I understand that Omega still produce some version of the 1171, please see my original post about the bracelets/end link and the current Omega reference. So yes, I can potentially get a “period correct” new bracelet if it’s is still manufactured/available from Omega.

Can you answer my question about these references?

As I mentioned, I have done the research and looked at period literature which just says 1171 and 650 endings plus seen photographs to validate this. My query is around what this means with current Omega references. I’m well aware of the fact that can buy 1171 on the used market.
 
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I have tried to explain but you are not reading. The current 1171 is not period correct to your watch. It will be similar and it will fit and “correct” according to Omega, but not period correct and probably not exactly the same. Maybe that’s not what you want to hear, but it’s often the case with bracelets.

It seems to me that your questions have been answered. What else is it that you want to know?

Again, if you tell us the serial number or year of your watch we can provide more details about the specific 1171 that came with your watch. Then, With more research you could determine how the current version is similar or different and make your decision.
 
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Hello,

Looking for advice on correct bracelet for my Seamaster 120. From research I understand the correct bracelet is an 1171 with 650 endlinks.

I have contacted omega and received a confusing response from my UK Omega service centre, see below (reference numbers follow Omega’s current convention):

“The bracelet for this case is 022ST1171000, and that does not have the 650 end links. The bracelet that does is the 020ST1171650, which is no longer available. However, I see that end links 026ST650 are available to order as a separate item, which may be a solution.”

I was also informed from Omega UK (not service centre) that the correct bracelet is the 022ST1171000 and that end links are not needed. I know this to be incorrect based on my research and photographs.

Lug width is 20mm.

Can anyone shed any light on this please?

026ST650 is the correct modern part number for Omega replacement 650 endlinks in SS. I have ordered several different pairs of replacement endlinks and they have been quite same as the vintage and fit well.
I have not ordered a replacement bracelet but if you order the bracelet from OB they will fit it on the watch and if it’s not correct they will take it back so there is little risk IMO.
 
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I reread your post 3 times now, I think I understand your questions.

You received an initial answer from the service center that at one time there was an 1171 that included the 650 endlinks from omega. They said they are no longer sold bundled and that you would need to buy the bracelet and endlinks separately.

Whomever the other Omega UK folks you contacted were siad no endlinks needed with the 1171. They are incorrect. So that should answer your original question.
 
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And to speak to Dan’s point- if you want the original bracelet- don’t order the modern replacement from omega. It will fit and be “similar” to all other 1171’s but they have changed the construction of them since then from folded link to solid and they are heavier and more robust than the older ones were. Although mechanically they are improved, they will lack the slim light feeling of the originals which is part of their charm.
 
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026ST650 is the correct modern part number for Omega replacement 650 endlinks in SS. I have ordered several different pairs of replacement endlinks and they have been quite same as the vintage and fit well.
I have not ordered a replacement bracelet but if you order the bracelet from OB they will fit it on the watch and if it’s not correct they will take it back so there is little risk IMO.
Thank you- this is what I wanted to know.

Do you happen to know the difference between 022ST1171000 and 020ST1171650?
 
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And to speak to Dan’s point- if you want the original bracelet- don’t order the modern replacement from omega. It will fit and be “similar” to all other 1171’s but they have changed the construction of them since then from folded link to solid and they are heavier and more robust than the older ones were. Although mechanically they are improved, they will lack the slim light feeling of the originals which is part of their charm.
I am okay with it being a modernised version of the original bracelet.
 
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I have tried to explain but you are not reading. The current 1171 is not period correct to your watch. It will be similar and it will fit and “correct” according to Omega, but not period correct and probably not exactly the same. Maybe that’s not what you want to hear, but it’s often the case with bracelets.

It seems to me that your questions have been answered. What else is it that you want to know?

Again, if you tell us the serial number or year of your watch we can provide more details about the specific 1171 that came with your watch. Then, With more research you could determine how the current version is similar or different and make your decision.
The serial number is 32076216 (from the movement) and I believe it is from 1970, calibre 1012. Model 166.0088 (although I have also seen this as 166.088).
 
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Thank you- this is what I wanted to know.

Do you happen to know the difference between 022ST1171000 and 020ST1171650?
I think @JwRosenthal explanation above is correct- looks like the bundled bracelet and endlinks- if you want them and that bundle is not available just order them separately. You need to order the endlinks individually- so make sure to ask for 2.
 
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Omega may want to know the reference number of the watch and they will also check for compatibility.
 
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https://omegaforums.net/threads/from-7077-to-1171-18-vintage-seamaster-and-speedmaster-bracelets.45883/ Cover Image
Thread 'From 7077 to 1171... 18 vintage Seamaster and Speedmaster Bracelets' ·
Hi guys, I want to share some information I collected over the years about vintage Speedmasters and Seamasters bracelets.



Let's start with the oldest with 19mm endlinks...
uwsearch ·

this thread confirms the compatibility of 1171/650 for 168.088 reference
 
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The serial number is 32076216 (from the movement) and I believe it is from 1970, calibre 1012. Model 166.0088 (although I have also seen this as 166.088).
I believe that would be the era of 1171 bracelets with the trapezoidal logo on the clasp. Prior to the change to the square logo.
 
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Thank you- this is what I wanted to know.

Do you happen to know the difference between 022ST1171000 and 020ST1171650?

The answer is in the number codes:

022 (part type classification)
ST (stainless steel)
1171 (bracelet model)
000 (just bracelet no endlinks)

The 650 at the end implies it comes with the 650 endlinks which as your research suggested is no longer sold as a bundle.

The service center gave you the correct information. I assume when you went to the dealer they didn’t know what they were talking about- they rarely know anything about vintage parts. Just tell them you want the 1171 with the part number you have, and the endlinks (x2) with the part number for those. They may try to tell you you don’t need them, just order them and when they all arrive you can determine if the dealer was correct- which they won’t be.
 
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