Omega Pie Pan 168.004

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Hello,

New to the forum and somewhat new in the vintage Omega society.
I have the possibility to buy a Pie Pan 168.004 for about 1.500€.
Does anyone see something incorrect with it @ first sight?
Many thanks for the help!

 
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Welcome @diegova88

It’s best to post as many pics as you have if you want a considered appraisal of a watch you’re looking at.

From the one, slightly blurry, pic the watch looks correct.
Decent dial but the lume is missing from the minute hand and cracked in the hour hand.
(The lume in the hour hand looks puffy and white - as though it is a later addition.
I can’t see any lume at the end of the indices but that may be the picture quality.

In saying that, a nice watch can be skilfully relumed.

However, what spoils this watch is the case - the bezel is quite soft and it looks as though the facets on the lugs have been polished away altogether.

Edit: it does look as though it has its original hidden crown (as you can’t see it in this picture.)

If you can post some additional pics it might be easier to tell.

If it is as it looks, then the price is probably double what it should be.

Hope that helps.
 
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Welcome @diegova88

It’s best to post as many pics as you have if you want a considered appraisal of a watch you’re looking at.

From the one, slightly blurry, pic the watch looks correct.
Decent dial but the lume is missing from the minute hand and cracked in the hour hand.
(The lume in the hour hand looks puffy and white - as though it is a later addition.
I can’t see any lume at the end of the indices but that may be the picture quality.

In saying that, a nice watch can be skilfully relumed.

However, what spoils this watch is the case - the bezel is quite soft and it looks as though the facets on the lugs have been polished away altogether.

Edit: it does look as though it has its original hidden crown (as you can’t see it in this picture.)

If you can post some additional pics it might be easier to tell.

If it is as it looks, then the price is probably double what it should be.

Hope that helps.
Thank you for the detailed information, I again learned some things I need to pay attention to!
 
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Thank you for the detailed information, I again learned some things I need to pay attention to!
Welcome @diegova88

It’s best to post as many pics as you have if you want a considered appraisal of a watch you’re looking at.

From the one, slightly blurry, pic the watch looks correct.
Decent dial but the lume is missing from the minute hand and cracked in the hour hand.
(The lume in the hour hand looks puffy and white - as though it is a later addition.
I can’t see any lume at the end of the indices but that may be the picture quality.

In saying that, a nice watch can be skilfully relumed.

However, what spoils this watch is the case - the bezel is quite soft and it looks as though the facets on the lugs have been polished away altogether.

Edit: it does look as though it has its original hidden crown (as you can’t see it in this picture.)

If you can post some additional pics it might be easier to tell.

If it is as it looks, then the price is probably double what it should be.

Hope that helps.
Another one on the watchlist is a gold/steel 168.004. Looks more legit.

 
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I'd want pictures of many angles, to see if the gold cap or plating really covers the lugs. They do look soft from the front. But unless the price was crazy, like under $500, the blemish on the dial would really bother me. In fact at any price I would not buy it because of that.

Edit: take a look at the private seller's forum. A capped or plated 167.005 just went on sale, in nice condition.
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It’s not so much about legitimacy- the last one was legit.

As @Porteroso says, it’s about condition.

Gold cap watches are always very slightly softer than SS but this one is really soft.
The bezel is almost rounded when it should have a sharp facet (it is solid gold, so no excuse not to be sharp)

The lugs are soft.
The gold medallion is almost non-existent.
The dial looks correct but is stained.
The case is badly pitted.
The crown is a replacement.
The movement has rotor rub.

How much are they asking for the watch ?(whatever it is, it’s probably -a lot- too much. )
 
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It’s not so much about legitimacy- the last one was legit.

As @Porteroso says, it’s about condition.

Gold cap watches are always very slightly softer than SS but this one is really soft.
The bezel is almost rounded when it should have a sharp facet (it is solid gold, so no excuse not to be sharp)

The lugs are soft.
The gold medallion is almost non-existent.
The dial looks correct but is stained.
The case is badly pitted.
The crown is a replacement.
The movement has rotor rub.

How much are they asking for the watch ?(whatever it is, it’s probably -a lot- too much. )
Way too much… can I just ask, you talk about soft, what does that mean?
 
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Way too much… can I just ask, you talk about soft, what does that mean?
By soft, I mean worn or polished and has lost its original definition.

Vintage watches, even Constellations, aren’t rare - they were produced in their millions.

The higher value in a vintage watch is maintained by collectors but this higher value lies in its condition.
Mainly in the originality and condition of the dial and the condition of the case.

Unfortunately, dealers will attribute higher ‘collectors’ value to any vintage watch in order to maximise profit - often preying on the unwary who think they are buying a top end piece because of the price.
 
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These are some pictures of the 168.004s younger brother, the 168.010, gold cap.

Look at the sharpness of the bezel and angles on the lug - and the definition in the medallion.