Omega overshadowed by Rolex

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My bugbear is the constant whinging of people about the lack of stock in Rolex dealerships, work with your AD and you will be amazed what watches you can try on, the situation isn't going to change so we just need to accept it whether we like it or not.

It amazes me that people will say you need to "work with your AD" to even get to try on a watch. That is so messed up that it boggles the mind that people think this is in any way a normal way of doing business. And what does "work with your AD" actually mean? Do I have to buy something else just to get to try on a watch? If so, WTF?

No, people don't have to accept it. They can just move on and buy from a brand that actually wants to sell you their product without making you feel like you need to beg them for it...
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And what does "work with your AD" actually mean?

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The entire “Quartz” era goes to quality (on top of being ugly as f... to boot).

Since you never gave any specific example, I'm guessing these are some of the poor quality quartz watches that somehow lack longevity, and are ugly as f to boot in your opinion...































I'm guessing the owners of these watches would disagree with your assessment, and might find it downright offensive...

Cheers, Al
 
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Since you never gave any specific example, I'm guessing these are some of the poor quality quartz watches that somehow lack longevity, and are ugly as f to boot in your opinion...































I'm guessing the owners of these watches would disagree with your assessment, and might find it downright offensive...

Cheers, Al

Yeah, I’ve noticed this thread is all about sparing people’s feelings. I guess I’m out of line. Some of those look very nice. And then there are others. So as not to hurt any more feelings, I shall refrain from further posting in this thread.
 
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Would doing so change your opinion?

I am always willing to listen to any well reasoned argument. But what you have put up so far is nothing but assertions with no reasoning or evidence to back them up.

Yeah, I’ve noticed this thread is all about sparing people’s feelings. I guess I’m out of line. Some of those look very nice. And then there are others. So as not to hurt any more feelings, I shall refrain from further posting in this thread.

Sure.
 
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I'm guessing the owners of these watches would disagree with your assessment
I only intended to get this out to correct the date, but fell for the shutter-click-bait .


37 years after buying it I still think it looks good on the right occasion (probably not with a heavy sweater 🙄 ).
 
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My bugbear is the constant whinging of people about the lack of stock in Rolex dealerships, work with your AD and you will be amazed what watches you can try on, the situation isn't going to change so we just need to accept it whether we like it or not.

To each his own, but I don’t just have to accept Rolex’s ridiculous marketing practices. Even if I found Rolex’s product attractive - and I don’t - the idea of having to “work with my AD” to get one is crazy. Either they want to sell me a watch or they don’t. And if they do then they ought to have it in stock for immediate delivery. It’s not complicated.
 
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It amazes me that people will say you need to "work with your AD" to even get to try on a watch. That is so messed up that it boggles the mind that people think this is in any way a normal way of doing business. And what does "work with your AD" actually mean? Do I have to buy something else just to get to try on a watch? If so, WTF?

No, people don't have to accept it. They can just move on and buy from a brand that actually wants to sell you their product without making you feel like you need to beg them for it...

To each his own, but I don’t just have to accept Rolex’s ridiculous marketing practices. Even if I found Rolex’s product attractive - and I don’t - the idea of having to “work with my AD” to get one is crazy. Either they want to sell me a watch or they don’t. And if they do then they ought to have it in stock for immediate delivery. It’s not complicated.


I have never had to work with my AD to try a watch on, the AD has been great letting me try on watches they have in awaiting customers coming in to collect their orders, that is how I have been able to determine what I want.

But you are right, if you don't want to play the game then you don't have to, nothing is forcing any of us to buy any brand of watch let alone Rolex. As we all know there are plenty of great watches out there, watches that can be bought in many cases without a wait.

I haven't had to buy any watch to get another one, I have only bought the watches that I want and none of these were at the behest of the AD. I get on very well with my AD, they are very helpful and believe that they can get me the watches that I want, I understand that there is a wait, I don't find that a problem.

My failing is that I am possibly naive to this watch world, I have only been buying Rolex since late summer, this is the state of play that I have walked into and to be honest I don't find it unexpected, Rolex is an incredibly popular watch brand with a range of extremely desirable watches that are very popular and aspirational to own the world over.

I know not the intricacies of the Rolex supply chain or the methodology behind it, some will say that Rolex are slowing production and some will say otherwise, some will say that it is a plot by the AD's to get you to buy more, some will say otherwise.

All I know is that I like Rolex and that I am happy to wait for my watch to arrive, I am happy to pop in to my AD for a chat, their coffee is very good, I am happy to buy other jewellery from them but only if it is what is wanted, I certainly will not buy just for the sake of it or to boost my standing in the store.

However, I am not daft, I am after a specific Rolex watch but if the AD starts to mess me about or the delays get longer and longer with no sign of the watch ever arriving, then I will go elsewhere and buy another brand, there are plenty of watches out there that I like, plenty within the budget that I have set, but for moment I am happy to play the game, be a familiar face in the AD letting them know that I am able to buy and can move at short notice so if someone declines then I can step in.
 
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My failing is that I am possibly naive to this watch world, I have only been buying Rolex since late summer, this is the state of play that I have walked into and to be honest I don't find it unexpected, Rolex is an incredibly popular watch brand with a range of extremely desirable watches that are very popular and aspirational to own the world over.

This explains a lot. This having to wait for every single SS sport watch is a relatively new thing, even though at times specific models have had a wait time associated with them - the SS Daytona maybe 10 years ago went through a phase like this where the wait was a year or so. So if you are not used to how it was, then I can see how you are accepting how it is.

But to be clear it's not normal or expected at all to have to wait years for a watch that not long ago you could walk in and but without any wait, and at times even get a discount. Now there are instances where people have been told in no uncertain terms that they have to buy something they don't want, just to move up the list...
 
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Since you never gave any specific example, I'm guessing these are some of the poor quality quartz watches that somehow lack longevity, and are ugly as f to boot in your opinion...








I'm guessing the owners of these watches would disagree with your assessment, and might find it downright offensive...

Cheers, Al

That's my very first Omega, terrific watch!
 
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This explains a lot. This having to wait for every single SS sport watch is a relatively new thing, even though at times specific models have had a wait time associated with them - the SS Daytona maybe 10 years ago went through a phase like this where the wait was a year or so. So if you are not used to how it was, then I can see how you are accepting how it is.

But to be clear it's not normal or expected at all to have to wait years for a watch that not long ago you could walk in and but without any wait, and at times even get a discount. Now there are instances where people have been told in no uncertain terms that they have to buy something they don't want, just to move up the list...

Rolex has always been a respected brand but would it be fair to say that popularity of the brand and selected watches has risen dramatically in the last few years, for example in 2015 would the current supply situation have been encountered?
 
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Rolex has always been a respected brand but would it be fair to say that popularity of the brand and selected watches has risen dramatically in the last few years, for example in 2015 would the current supply situation have been encountered?

This "supply situation" has only been in play for the last couple of years really. What it has done is bring out people who are buying the watches for pure profit, because they know they can flip them immediately and make a good amount of money. I'm not sure I would put this down to the watches being "respected" or even necessarily "popular" but mostly to FOMO and greed...
 
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This "supply situation" has only been in play for the last couple of years really. What it has done is bring out people who are buying the watches for pure profit, because they know they can flip them immediately and make a good amount of money. I'm not sure I would put this down to the watches being "respected" or even necessarily "popular" but mostly to FOMO and greed...

Agreed. In 2015 I was able to buy a BLNR from DavidSW for $800 less than one at the AD after taxes, and DavidSW got my name on the warranty card. Now they're after pure profit and greed has taken over. It doesn't make sense to me that Rolex would have such shortages, as they can't make money if they can't sell watches. But the mysterious scarcity drove up prices on the 3rd party market and it's been downhill since.

Although I could not find a BLNR in the stores in 2015, everything else including regular GMT II, Explorer II, Subs, Deep Sea, and even the occasional Hulk and SS Daytona were in my local Rolex AD showcase for sale. I passed on a steel bezel Daytona that I was offered (too shiny) and bought an Explorer II and Hulk from the case (not too green) within a 6 month period. Then the watches started to go away. In June 2015 that was the last Hulk the Dealer got all year (so they say) - I had returned mine unworn to the store the next week in July, to get one with the new 5 year warranty, and they couldn't get me another.

The next year (2016) because the Hulk had become so scarce, I was offered a Deep Blue instead. However, I had just gotten on the list for a ceramic Daytona that had just been announced, so I had to pass on the D-Blue due to budget restrictions. Had I known I'd still be waiting almost 4 years later for the Daytona I could have jumped on the Deep Blue. Now I've been on the Deep Blue list (#1) since this summer after giving up on ever getting a Daytona, but my dealer hasn't received a deep blue in 10 months.

I passed on a NIB white dial ceramic Daytona 2 yr ago at $17,000 which I thought was a rip-off, as I really thought one of my AD would be able to get me one at MSRP. Now look where prices have gone due to speculators! Until 2017 I was still seeing Submariner, Explorer I, and Explorer II in the stores, and now nothing but SS Datejusts or PM watches, and an occasional oyster perpetual (sports watch?). Meanwhile, both AD have added many new brands to sell to make up for the lack of Rolex watches, so they can stay above water.
 
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I’ll never forget as a kid going to see Mr. Tabanelli, an old school watchmaker, with my dad. He loved my dad’s 1972 Omega Seamaster and gushed about how much he respected Omega and their movements...said they were better than Rolex in many instances.

From that day I’ve always held Omega as the “watchmakers” watch - for people that don’t buy into the hype of Rolex.

For me personally, I just prefer the style of the older sport Rolex vs Omega.
 
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the AD has been great letting me try on watches they have in awaiting customers coming in to collect their orders
Am I the only one to be shocked by this?

Maybe what I experienced was not common practice, but the few times I tried a watch it was either one that was on sale, or one that was available for the sole purpose of being tried by potential customers
 
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I have not seen a retail price ss daytona / batman/ hulk for 3 years
I have not seen a retail price pappy van winkle for 5 years
I have not seen a retail price Hibiki 21, Yamazaki 18 for 1 year.

Part of the living life . I refuse to play the game with dealers.
 
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Am I the only one to be shocked by this?

Maybe what I experienced was not common practice, but the few times I tried a watch it was either one that was on sale, or one that was available for the sole purpose of being tried by potential customers

This seems to be common practice, at least in Switzerland. I was also offered to try on (Rolex) watches which were waiting to be picked up. That happened several times at different places.
 
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I have not seen a retail price ss daytona / batman/ hulk for 3 years
I have not seen a retail price pappy van winkle for 5 years
I have not seen a retail price Hibiki 21, Yamazaki 18 for 1 year.

Part of the living life . I refuse to play the game with dealers.

#1 - same, see my post above
#2 - same, last bought 4 yr ago with my car accident settlement, none since
#3 - I've settled for $150 bottles of Yamazaki 12yr and $80 Hibiki blended instead.
 
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Am I the only one to be shocked by this?

The watches have all the stickers attached so I am unsure what the issue is, there is no difference in going into the store trying a watch on that the AD has ordered in for me and declining it so the next person gets a 'worn' watch or going in and trying on a watch the AD has for another customer?

At the end of the day, when the AD removes the stickers and gives the watch a polish with a cloth it is as clean as it could be, and you as the new owner will never know if the watch has been on someone else's wrist.