Omega overshadowed by Rolex

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I’ll start by giving credit where credit is due. Rolex makes a very good product and their marketing and brand recognition is second to none. That being said, I’m an Omega man. Reasons I’m not a Rolex fan:

—I don’t find the watches attractive. Depending on the model, they strike me as either being too conservative (ie, dull) or downright gaudy (enough with the gold and diamonds already). And I loathe that fxxxing cyclops.

—I’m offended by the way that Rolex does business. Creating artificial shortages by limiting production, waiting lists that can be years long, not returning parts when watches are serviced, hiding their financials by way of a charitable trust, etc. Ridiculous.

—I don’t care to be associated with the “look at me, I’ve arrived” mentality that so many owners of modern Rolexes seem to have. I find that many Rolex owners acquired their watch because they thought that they had reached a point in their lives where they should have one. They know how much they paid (overpaid?) for their Rolex, but they know virtually nothing about how it works and even less about the history of the company that manufactured it.

Why I like Omega:

—The history. Military use, the Olympics, the Apolllo missions, etc.

—The technology. The legendary durability of the Speedmaster Professional. The coaxial escapement. METAS certification, etc.

—The styling. The Globemaster’s pie pan dial. The Constellation’s star. The wave dial. The hippocampus. The observatory medallion. The scalloped bezel, etc.

It’s said that Omega makes watches and Rolex sells watches. I think that’s true. Most Rolex owners wear their watch because they want to make a statement. Most Omega owners wear their watch because it makes them smile every time they glance at their wrists.
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I buy the watches I like, it's not a pissing contest and I do not really care if other people look at my watches and think: " I bet he wishes he had a rolex instead " I imagine that the vast majority of people think "expensive " brand watches such as Omega or Rolex are a ridiculous waste of money and can not fathom why someone would spend a lot of money on a watch.
The other day I wore a mondaine stop2go gottardo limited edition that cost around 650chf/590eur/650usd. My colleague asked about it, he liked the design etc but nearly fell out of his chair when I told him the price.
I like Omega watches more because I feel they offer nicer designs than Rolex, just a personal preference and based solely on aesthetic as opposed to anything else.
 
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Your third point is extremely controversial if not offensive 🙁

From OP... I hope this topic is not too controversial. As a collector and lover of both brands, I am genuinely interested in the Omegacommunity’s take on this topic.

My Third Point is my take on the topic.
It is my opinion, you can choose to be offended by it. Others can choose to agree....small part of democracy, perhaps?
 
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When you turn 40 you're gonna love that fxxxing cyclops

I’m 61 and I see the date windows on my Omegas just fine.
 
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I buy the watch, not the brand. When I decide to buy a certain watch, it is only because that particular watch meets exactly what I need and want (long term accuracy, robustness, comfort and beauty to my eyes). Since I have never been rich (and probably never will be), I do an extensive research before deciding. Specially because it takes so much effort to save for a watch (in my case), I rely more on my personal criteria than the effect of my watch on other peoples eyes. Both brands offer a certain room for assossiations, like famous movies, famous people, a certain social status or emotional experiences. But the more superficial the reason for buying something, the shorter the satisfaction it will bring. So, if the watch that meets my needs happens to be made by Rolex, I buy a Rolex, and if it happens to have been made by Omega, I buy an Omega. The relationship between the watch and me is very personal, not very social. By coincidence, I have choosen watches from both brands.
 
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I've always wanted an Omega because my father owned one (which he keeps in a safe deposit box now). When I could finally afford one, I was able to walk into an OB and purchase one at its advertised price. Not only that, they gave me additional items as well. The experience was (for me) amazing for my first luxury purchase.

I've checked out the various Rolex ADs all over the world, and they universally have told me the same thing...that I need to buy a watch first before I can get a chance at any of the SS models (Sub, GMT, Explorer, etc). The other alternative is to pay above MSRP in grey market, which I refuse to do.

Rolex makes nice watches, and they have a great history as well. However, until I can walk into a Rolex AD and purchase a watch (that I want) at MSRP, I just don't see the need. I am perfectly happy with my Omega watch(es) (I own more than one now!) and wear them every day. Besides, there are other brands that have caught my eye (Zenith being the latest)...!

I don't think this is a controversial topic...it's just beaten to death ad nauseum everywhere you look.
 
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From OP... I hope this topic is not too controversial. As a collector and lover of both brands, I am genuinely interested in the Omegacommunity’s take on this topic.

My Third Point is my take on the topic.
It is my opinion, you can choose to be offended by it. Others can choose to agree....small part of democracy, perhaps?

That third point (or a slight variation on it, perhaps) is very valid for me. I'd really like to have an Explorer I MKII. I could fund it by consolidating my collection, trading in a few lesser pieces. But, I often work with young people in a city where the median household income of $47K. Wearing a Rolex to work would emphasize the wealth gap between myself and the people with whom I work.
 
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I'm 57.

Still not a fan of the Cyclops.

Me either - it makes the date harder to read IMO...
 
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Your third point is extremely controversial if not offensive 🙁

I have a different take on what was being implied - only the person who made that comment can say what they meant, but here's my take on it.

Rolex's own marketing touts the brand as "a crown for every achievement", so they certainly want people to believe it's the watch to buy when you have "arrived" whatever that really means. The brand goes out of their way to attract a certain clientele who believe it is a sign of success.

That doesn't mean everyone who wears a modern Rolex is that type of person, but I think you would have to admit most people buy one not because of the reasons people like us might (history, brand heritage, technical subtleties), but because they have been lead to believe it is the "best" watch money can buy by Rolex's formidable and very effective marketing efforts.

Cheers, Al
 
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Rolex


Overshadowed by

Omega



So now we have


Seamaster - 2 year waiting list
Speedmaster - 5-7 year waiting list
Railmaster - Waiting list
Constellation - DayDate
Deville/Globemaster - Datejust
Any GMT complication - Waiting list
Planet Ocean - Waiting list
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The pictures above of empty vs. full display cases are worth a thousand words. Assuming we are limiting this discussion to new watches, then availability - or more to the point pricing - is the biggest barrier preventing me from adding another Rolex to the collection. I just can't see paying $9-10K for a Sub on the grey market when I could pick up a Planet Ocean from an AD for <$5K. It doesn't hurt that I prefer the design of the current PO to the design of the 6 digit Sub (the 5 digits are another story entirely). You can argue value retention. However, at the end of the day, as an individual buyer who has to pay market price on the grey market for a SS Rolex, I'm going to take the same $1-2K hit when I sell as I would on an Omega. Would I buy a SS Rolex from an AD for MSRP? You bet I would, but not really for the watch. Mostly for the ~$1-2K of cash "on the hood" so to speak.

The other issue, though of lesser importance to me personally, is the Rolex image as the rich guy "flex" du jour. The current SS Rolex craze really reminds me of what happened with Porsche's GT cars in the mid-2010s. Cars like the 911 GT3 went from being awesome performance bargains for hardcore track junkies, to being impossible to buy from a dealer at MSRP without having to a previous purchase history of 5+ Cayennes/Macans. People were paying V8 Ferrari prices (that is ~$100K over MSRP for the non-car folks) for standard, second hand GT3s and everyone was convinced they were excellent investments with great value retention. Eventually the hype died off, the "influencers" moved on to something else, and new cars started accumulating on dealer lots. Prices fell back to earth pretty quickly. Now you can pick up new GT3s at a discount to MSRP pretty easily, and those "great investment" cars from around 2015/2016 are selling for less than half their peak prices.

Rolex makes a great watch, but I'll pass on the circus for now.
 
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I would love to have a GMT, but its a tough pill to swallow even at MSRP - not even considering the crazy grey market pricing. I got my SMP because it was an affordable, classic and elegant watch. Since my wife would kill me spending $9k on a Rolex GMT I ended up with a Tudor GMT for a 1/3 of the price.
 
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p4ul said:
First - One of the key factors is that I can go to a shop and buy an Omega.
Second - it is at least as effective as it’s equivalent Rolex.
Third - a modern Rolex says something about the wearer that I do not want to be associated with.

Your third point is extremely controversial if not offensive 🙁

maybe you have watches that talk ? mine seem to be of the silent variety

if you actually believe point three, i am quite certain it says something about you and nothing about people wearing rolexes or the watches themselves
 
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With the possible exception of the Speedmaster, it seems that each Omega product line has a contemporary in Rolex’s catalog that receives more attention, has greater resale value, and has a larger collector base in the watch community.

Seamaster - Submariner
Speedmaster - Daytona
Railmaster - Milgauss
Constellation - DayDate
Deville/Globemaster - Datejust
Any GMT complication - GMT Master
Planet Ocean - Sea Dweller


i hate over-generalizations. there is a lot of it on this thread

however, i think objectively if you look at both brands new watches they are not really in similar zip codes (rolex > omega) and IMO tudor is much more comparable to omega.

and then you look at vintage pieces and the broad sweep of the brands over time; spend some time with a gilt sub or gilt gmt-master, or any vintage daytona vs vintage speedies at basically any price point

OP is correct

and i own and love my ed white speedmaster and a gemini LE speedmaster. . but compared to these babies? come on. . .

gratuitous photos to follow



 
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I like both brands and have Omega and Rolex, but I will say that if I could only have one watch it would be my DJ41, it simply wins in a straight comparison with any of it's direct competitors.