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Thank you Achim, now I ask an extract to omega .... but conversation is very interesting. I live in Turin ...Italy near to Geneva and in Turin was placed De Marchi factories who was the assembly transplant of omega for Italy ... second market for Omega in world. I spoke and have friends who work in De Marchi and usually we remember the mode of work in these years ...still early 80. Every day I learn a new thing ...problem is only remember all! Regarding omega 817 I see it first time approx the end of 90, my friend bought it from a military ... I write history. Then he keep it in his collection and last saturday I bought it from my old friend with other watches. A lot of time ago is not necessary made fake omega ... they are not expensive and collector looked for other! You found all types of speed but noone wanted old models. New model cost was around 1000usd. This only for speak ... 20 years ago the situation was completly different .... no need fake. Omega 33.3 cost was around 5-600 usd! This watch come from these years. In any way thank you an I hope extract make me a gift of good news. Thank you and regards
 
Bill Sohne
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Hi
Only other example I saw was on hodinkee years ago and I comments that it was not original also.... I agree w Achim , it did not leave the factory looking like this.

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thank you for your opinion, but tissot models used lemania caliber with tissot bridge not omega 860 and the movement was white not copper. Also lemania for swaf used white lemania movement 1872. this is a copper Omega 860 caliber (signed)
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I don't believe for a second that there is an Omega 817 model. If so, it ought to be mentioned in AJTT. The Omega logo printed in the dial does not at all look like Omega 70ies style
 
gazzelle80smipar
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Well, thank's all in anyway, I accept all thinks about my omega. The history of this watch told me is very amazing and as talk Allan Poe ... eliminated from possible cases the impossibiles, that remain is only the true! I wait extract from omega that is the only true. Probably my omega is an assemblate watch .... but is not to exclude one probability. Thanks all
 
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First, I thought it might be true. Your caliber ref number shows a 1970 watch. But there is two really BIG problems :

- there is absolutely no legitimate omega (anytime !) with nothing stamped (logo / reference number) on the back. You are true to say the 70s was a crisis time, including for Omega. But Omega is certainly one of the most over-documented watchbrand. Even if not in a catalogue, be logic : you would see on the web others like you asking the same type of questions as you do about the same watch !

- Last chance, could it be something like a prototype ? Not impossible, Tissot and Omega were something like sister companies at the time, they shared many things in common... of course, they couldn't sell the exact same design watch, but perhaps they first try as omega branded and then decide to sell it as Tissot ? why not after all ?

- BUT I must agree with marturx, the "OMEGA" letters (not the greek letter) doesn't match with the period, but with a more modern one. I might be wrong as differences are very light between the periods, but I strongly think so.

Try to contact the omega museum in Bienne. They will certainly be able to tell you more...
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gazzelle80smipar
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Hi, thank all for reply, I agree in particular Fredouille 78, all is correct regarding omega brands, is different regarding military watches for Italian Army of this period. For Aeronautic is universally know Cairelli dealer who assembled zenith and universal geneve. the case are of those are
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not signed because responding a specification request from Air ministry. We know also an other wristwatch for light aviation (helicopters) that is a breitling 817 (this number from the case type) http://www.vintage-breitling.com/?product=breitling-ref-817-cp-1-military-chrono#!prettyPhoto . well. I think is possible, as told me, that in the race of auction for supply this type of watches to air ministry, was presented from a lot of brands (omega included) different purposes of watches all based on case 817 indicated to air ministry. Breitling won auction and supplied watches, other watches presented to compete remain in Italy and the watch in question is the omega representant. Yes, is a particular tale, is hard to belive, also is not a pure brand example but, may be, a particular element regarding omega brand and military watch. I ask to extract of register Omega and I'm waiting for news.

thank to all.
 
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gazzelle80smipar gazzelle80smipar
thank you for your opinion, but tissot models used lemania caliber with tissot bridge not omega 860 and the movement was white not copper. Also lemania for swaf used white lemania movement 1872. this is a copper Omega 860 caliber (signed)
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the 861 is a Lemania...
 
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Yes ... sure, but 861 are omega caliber based on lemania 1281. omega used only 861 copper finiture while lemania and tissot brands used lemania 1281. idem for caliber 860 omega based on lemania 1270 movement is the same but caliber denomination is different.
lemania bases are:
1270: no shock protection
1275: Kif shock protection
1276, Incabloc
1277: like 1276, but new minute counter jumper
1280: hour counter, Incabloc
1281: like 1280, but new minute counter jumper
thank you.
 
fredouille78
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Omega 860-861 is not Lemania 1281 or 1270, but Lemania 1872. You can't be wrong with this so unusual bridge...

You're both right : Omega 860 is a lemania, but with the copper specificity.
 
gazzelle80smipar
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all start from lemania 27ch related to omega caliber series 320-321 ... to seccesives develops
 
fredouille78
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It's an obvious franken. Wrong 'pilot' style from a Deville. Wrong reference (refers to a bullhead).

Some people don't care about authenticity but like to have a custom or modified watch... sometimes to increase value... sometimes to change style... sometimes for fun... sometimes to have something they feel 'unique'... sometimes because they have parts that could match together... and many more reasons, I guess.

It reminds me of a watch I saw. The watchmaker who did that made a lot of work to create this franken :

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/903/sOQ6Pk.jpg
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Foo2rama
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Pretty sure that's a recased 146.0017 frankenwatch. That watch had a history and no one was able to get caseback or the serial number from the seller to confirm. Oddly the reported number on the caseback tracks back to a bull head. Also note who is commenting here and in regards to that watch 6 years ago.
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look, your watch is just NOT AN OMEGA. it is not a prototype. whatever it is, enjoy it. but do not try to argue all the time to pass it on as an omega. every vintage watch, you have to explain all the time, is not worth the effort. keep us updated on the Factory excerpt from the archive. if omega gets back to you with the news, that this is an omega prototype, sell it to the omega museum. and buy the zenith, which has no doubt attached to it. these are wonderful watches; just enjoy as it is. kind regards. achim
 
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Sorry to hijack this thread, but did we ever got an extract?

I just bought me a no-brand 817. Kind of this clean dial was maybe the base for the omega “fake”.

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