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·Thanks wagudc for the explanation of BSing 😀 Apologies accepted!
Omega Geneve Automatic without ''Automatic'' Inscription on the Dial
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·If expertise in vintage watches were like footballing, many of the members here would be playing in the Premier League. Not me, I would be like the one of the better footballers at your local public park.
I'd likely be among the footballers in the park someone like @wagudc runs rings around and assessing the quality of the redial on a scale from 1-5 seems like over-simplification to me, but to stick to your scale:
If 1 is the handwritten "Omega 25 rubis shockproof Conseletion" and 5 is the redial that we'd have a discussion about because even the Champions League contenders aren't entirely certain, this would be a ~2.5 for me.
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·Thanks wagudc for the explanation of BSing 😀 Apologies accepted!
I don't generally rate redials. I would say that to a collector, it is pretty easy to spot but it doesn't belong on this thread:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/worst-redials.2304/
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!I am not sure why you would want to rate a redial, it either is or it isn't. To paraphrase J Clarkson, 'lets discuss which is the best of the Sexually Transmitted Diseases'
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·I am not sure why you would want to rate a redial, it either is or it isn't. To paraphrase J Clarkson, 'lets discuss which is the best of the Sexually Transmitted Diseases'
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·I'd likely be among the footballers in the park someone like @wagudc runs rings around and assessing the quality of the redial on a scale from 1-5 seems like over-simplification to me, but to stick to your scale:
If 1 is the handwritten "Omega 25 rubis shockproof Conseletion" and 5 is the redial that we'd have a discussion about because even the Champions League contenders aren't entirely certain, this would be a ~2.5 for me.
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·Mr. Hartmut Richter, moderator on Zenith forum on watchuseek.com, thinks that here we have a switch of the dial. Caliber 1030 is a manual winding twin brother of automatic 1012. So, maybe this is the dial from 1030 movement. Check the Ranfft movement database for this.
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·Mr. Hartmut Richter, moderator on Zenith forum on watchuseek.com, thinks that here we have a switch of the dial. Caliber 1030 is a manual winding twin brother of automatic 1012. So, maybe this is the dial from 1030 movement. Check the Ranfft movement database for this.
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masteroftime
·Mr. Hartmut Richter, moderator on Zenith forum on watchuseek.com, thinks that here we have a switch of the dial. Caliber 1030 is a manual winding twin brother of automatic 1012. So, maybe this is the dial from 1030 movement. Check the Ranfft movement database for this.
That could be true, but if it is surely redialed as others believe then that really wouldn't matter or be totally ascertainable, unless there is a mark under the dial. The dial printing without "automatic" is indicative of a dial from a manual winding watch. However, it could be possible that an automatic dial was stripped and reprinted with a printing plate for a manual winding watch.
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·And that can be the reason of lacking the inscription ''Automatic'' on the dial, and not a very bad redial.
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·And that can be the reason of lacking the inscription ''Automatic'' on the dial, and not a very bad redial.
If you look back to the original comments about it being a redial, the reasoning was based on other issues and not the lack of "automatic" on the dial. While that can be a sign, it is one of several factors. Without the other factors, it isn't dispositive.
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·That could be true, but if it is surely redialed as others believe then that really wouldn't matter or be totally ascertainable, unless there is a mark under the dial. The dial printing without "automatic" is indicative of a dial from a manual winding watch. However, it could be possible that an automatic dial was stripped and reprinted with a printing plate for a manual winding watch.
Once upon a time, in 1970's, which were bad years for Omega (as someone here said), Omega produced 1030 movement. This movement was byproduct of the automatic design (http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Omega_1030&). In accordance with this byproduct design, Omega produced watches with 1030 movement. But, in bad years, the dial from manual 1030 could be fitted perfectly also to automatic 1012.
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·Let me tell you a story, which, I hope, is not a fairytale 😀
Once upon a time, in 1970's, which were bad years for Omega (as someone here said), Omega produced 1030 movement. This movement was byproduct of the automatic design (http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Omega_1030&). In accordance with this byproduct design, Omega produced watches with 1030 movement. But, in bad years, the dial from manual 1030 could be fitted perfectly also to automatic 1012.
This isn't just true for the 1000 series movements from the 1970s. I know that dials from manual wind 611 / 613 will fit on 560 series automatic movements and vice versa.
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··Oooo subtitles!It did cross my mind that your dial was swapped in and not repainted. It is a possibility, which is why I said 'it never left the factory like that' instead of declaring it a redial. Seasoned collectors are always suspicious of black dialled vintage watches but the text on yours doesn't obviously look redone to me. To to be honest though I don't really see how it adds a fat lot even if that is the case. The dial is clearly wrong for the watch, it lacks the Automatic script and doesn't match the lumed hands. That added to the case condition is why I was so negative towards it as a project watch. You haven't said why you are so interested in it, even though several have prompted you to do so. Is there a sentimental reason why it matters to you or are you clutching at value straws here? I'll point out again that you have a plated head, non plated bracelet, mismatched dial and unpopular movement which presumably needs a service. Shall I go on?
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·It did cross my mind that your dial was swapped in and not repainted. It is a possibility, which is why I said 'it never left the factory like that' instead of declaring it a redial. Seasoned collectors are always suspicious of black dialled vintage watches but the text on yours doesn't obviously look redone to me. To to be honest though I don't really see how it adds a fat lot even if that is the case. The dial is clearly wrong for the watch, it lacks the Automatic script and doesn't match the lumed hands. That added to the case condition is why I was so negative towards it as a project watch. You haven't said why you are so interested in it, even though several have prompted you to do so. Is there a sentimental reason why it matters to you or are you clutching at value straws here? I'll point out again that you have a plated head, non plated bracelet, mismatched dial and unpopular movement which presumably needs a service. Shall I go on?
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·This isn't just true for the 1000 series movements from the 1970s. I know that dials from manual wind 611 / 613 will fit on 560 series automatic movements and vice versa.
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·This isn't just true for the 1000 series movements from the 1970s. I know that dials from manual wind 611 / 613 will fit on 560 series automatic movements and vice versa.
