Omega Geneve Automatic without ''Automatic'' Inscription on the Dial

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Dear Omega professionals and lovers,

I have Omega Geneve automatic, Cal. 1012. But this one doesn't have inscription ''Automatic'' on the dial. My question is: is this dial original?

Thanks in advance for your replies,
Adrian
 
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Welcome to the forum. The pictures aren't the best, but from what I can tell it looks repainted. Unless this is a gift or a family watch, I would walk away.

If you are looking for a bargain, some of the best deals on the web can be found in the Private Sales forum right here. Some are more competitively priced than others. Plus the forum is moderated, so the sales ads are pretty honest.
 
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Welcome to the forum. The pictures aren't the best, but from what I can tell it looks repainted. Unless this is a gift or a family watch, I would walk away.

If you are looking for a bargain, some of the best deals on the web can be found in the Private Sales forum right here. Some are more competitively priced than others. Plus the forum is moderated, so the sales ads are pretty honest.
Thank you very much wagudc for your opinion! So, you think that on the Private Sales forum here, I can find unrepainted dial for my watch?
 
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You’d have better luck on ebay for the loose dial, private watch sales is for complete watches but they tend to be better quality overall as people tend to be afraid to post junk here for reputation reasons.
 
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I apologize for my pictures, they are amateurish. In reality, dial looks almost perfect.

Does anybody else has another opinion? For instance, whether Omega produced a small number of 1012, without ''Automatic'' printed on the dial?
 
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I apologize for my pictures, they are amateurish. In reality, dial looks almost perfect.

Does anybody else has another opinion? For instance, whether Omega produced a small number of 1012, without ''Automatic'' printed on the dial?

I'm 100% sure that it's a re-dial.

Irregular consistency of the minute plots all around the dial.
"Flat line" of the plots between 11 and 12 an 1.
Huge difference in plots either side of 2.
Heaviness of script.

Of course, this could all be due to lighting/refraction/reflections/focus.

But that's my first opinion unless I se proper photos.
 
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I'm 100% sure that it's a re-dial.

Irregular consistency of the minute plots all around the dial.
"Flat line" of the plots between 11 and 12 an 1.
Huge difference in plots either side of 2.
Heaviness of script.

Of course, this could all be due to lighting/refraction/reflections/focus.

But that's my first opinion unless I se proper photos.
Yes, the photos are really bad. Black colour of the dial absorbs very much light, and it is hard for me to take a good photo. I will try with a professional camera and after that I will post new pictures.
 
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I'm 100% sure that it's a re-dial.

Irregular consistency of the minute plots all around the dial.
"Flat line" of the plots between 11 and 12 an 1.
Huge difference in plots either side of 2.
Heaviness of script.

Of course, this could all be due to lighting/refraction/reflections/focus.

But that's my first opinion unless I se proper photos.

+1. I'm sorry Adrian, but I doubt better photos will change anything - which doesn't mean that you shouldn't post any, of course, as it'll bring certainty. But there are many things off, as mentioned above. The minute track from 12 to 2 doesn't even seem to be rounded outwards, it's almost reminiscent of a pie pan dial minute track. But only on this very part of the dial. Redial for me, I'm afraid.
 
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+1. I'm sorry Adrian, but I doubt better photos will change anything - which doesn't mean that you shouldn't post any, of course, as it'll bring certainty. But there are many things off, as mentioned above. The minute track from 12 to 2 doesn't even seem to be rounded outwards, it's almost reminiscent of a pie pan dial minute track. But only on this very part of the dial. Redial for me, I'm afraid.
Thanks MtV, I'm not disappointed if it is a redial. The dial looks nice to me, and I still owe some nice pictures 👍
 
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No way that left the factory like that IMO. Also note the presence of lume on the hands but none on the dial. As already noted, unless you have a sentimental attachment, this is not one to expend a lot of effort on.

#Warning, straight talking follows#

This will always be a very poor example of an entry level watch from Omega's dark days of the 1970s. There is bad brassing on the lugs where the gold has worn off and the integrated bracelet (which is not plated) seems to not match the head. You could spend £500 to put it right and find it fetches maybe £200 on ebay because it will still have case damage.

#/End of harsh words#
 
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No way that left the factory like that IMO. Also note the presence of lume on the hands but none on the dial. As already noted, unless you have a sentimental attachment, this is not one to devote a lot of effort on.

Leaving this specific watch aside for a moment, I just want to point out that lume on the hands and not on the dial is a legitimate configuration. The other way around - that would be a red flag for sure.

Cheers, Al
 
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Leaving this specific watch aside for a moment, I just want to point out that lume on the hands and not on the dial is a legitimate configuration. The other way around - that would be a red flag for sure.

Cheers, Al
Sure it is, but not on these, in my experience. I note you did say leaving these aside!
 
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Sure it is, but not on these, in my experience. I note you did say leaving these aside!

I just wanted it to be clear that this was not a "blanket" sign of a problem, because that's what I got from your post.

Of course, this watch the OP has shown is a complete mess...



And yes it should have lume plots on the dial, plus a lot more.
 
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Thank you guys, you are real Omega professionals!

I need to clarify just one more thing before I upload better photos.
Are you sure that the material in the upper third of the hands is lume? When I observe it with my ocular 4x, I see something dark gray. Also, when I expose hands to the strong light, and after that observe them in the dark, the hands do not emit any light, not even the light of small intensity.
 
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Thank you guys, you are real Omega professionals!

I need to clarify just one more thing before I upload better photos.
Are you sure that the material in the upper third of the hands is lume? When I observe it with my ocular 4x, I see something dark gray. Also, when I expose hands to the strong light, and after that observe them in the dark, the hands do not emit any light, not even the light of small intensity.

Yes, that's old lume.
 
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Here are photos taken with professional Nikon camera. If we agree that this is a redial, then please rate the quality of this redial on the scale from 1 to 5.

 
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If expertise in vintage watches were like footballing, many of the members here would be playing in the Premier League. Not me, I would be like the one of the better footballers at your local public park.

I stand by my first assessment, that it is repainted and that any money invested is better spent saving for a watch in overall better shape. As others have said the dial is not the only issue. However, my opinion is not as important as others here. Nobody is BSing you. If they weren't confident in their claims they wouldn't make them.

I am still pretty new here, and it has taken me a while to understand what level of expertise some of these folks are operating on. I know it can be hard to get bad news about a watch you like, but if you didn't want to know the truth you shouldn't ask. I don't mean to come off as a jerk, but I am trying to help you out.
 
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If expertise in vintage watches were like footballing, many of the members here would be playing in the Premier League. Not me, I would be like the one of the better footballers at your local public park.

I stand by my first assessment, that it is repainted and that any money invested is better spent saving for a watch in overall better shape. As others have said the dial is not the only issue. However, my opinion is not as important as others here. Nobody is BSing you. If they weren't confident in their claims they wouldn't make them.

I am still pretty new here, and it has taken me a while to understand what level of expertise some of these folks are operating on. I know it can be hard to get bad news about a watch you like, but if you didn't want to know the truth you shouldn't ask. I don't mean to come off as a jerk, but I am trying to help you out.
1. You obviously did not read carefully my messages. I do want to know the truth, and I agree with professionals that the dial is a redial. I am just asking professionals to evaluate the quality of this redial.

2. And please, if you intend to continue with your replies, then use better English and not slang. Sentences like ''Nobody is BSing you" mean nothing to me (I am not a guy from your neighborhood 😀
 
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@Adrian77 you are right, I seem to have misread your post. I read it as rate the likelihood of it being a redial. My apologies.

BSing is bullshitting, i.e. misleading.