Omega Constellation: Need Help Confirming Legitimacy

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Can't argue with that, but price is always the key ...if someone listed that watch featured in this thread for sale on this site for $250 there would be plenty of veteran collectors fighting over it. 😁

Oddly enough, I was going to post a similar qualification.
If the watch was going for £200 then it would be very much worth buying as a daily beater.

However, the responses were nothing to do with doom and gloom or watch-snobbery - when a new member asks for a critique of a watch they are going to get a full and proper assessment.
If the watch is a super-bargain that can be taken into account but if it is up for £1500 and not £200 then it's not such a good buy.
 
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Just went back to bid on it. In the last couple hours it more than tripled in price . Definitely not something I can afford right now.

So, @pb273 - how much was the watch when you were looking at it?
and how much is it now/did it go for?
 
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However, the responses were nothing to do with doom and gloom or watch-snobbery - when a new member asks for a critique of a watch they are going to get a full and proper assessment.

Oh you make good sense but when price is not factored in and a watch a newbie posts about is completely dismissed by some members, then it is not a "full and proper assessment". No matter how one dresses things up, it's all about the numbers. And speaking of numbers, all one has to do as a newbie is browse the for sale section of this site to see some staggeringly high numbers on some rough stuff to add to the confusion. So no matter how noble some members think they are in advising newbies, the pitfalls of this hobby are always close by.
 
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I also think some of the Private and Open Sales Forum's prices high but they’re generally for watches I wouldn’t go after anyway.

However, there are also quite a few fairly priced watches in the Private Sales forum, and I have been happy to buy there and also with the watches when they’ve arrived.

Also, I recently bought a watch from an OF member who generously offered to contribute to the service cost that the watch needed when I mentioned a stiffness in winding.
 
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I also think some of the Private and Open Sales Forum's prices high but they’re generally for watches I wouldn’t go after anyway.

Yep, and by reading on how some glaring flaws that are patently obvious to experienced hobbyists are glossed over with fluff coupled with shocking prices leads one to suspect the sales posts are aimed at the very newbies some here attempt to protect. Of course no one can point out specific ads but it doesn't take long to spot them...
 
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Oh you make good sense but when price is not factored in and a watch a newbie posts about is completely dismissed by some members, then it is not a "full and proper assessment". No matter how one dresses things up, it's all about the numbers.

I was evidently too concise with my response (and mistakenly took it for granted that it would be understood.)

what I should have said is:

"when a new member asks for a critique of a watch they are going to get a full and proper assessment of the condition of the watch"

the condition of a watch has nothing to do with the cost of the watch.
however, the decision as to whether to purchase the watch has everything to do with the correlation of the condition and the cost
 
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I was evidently too concise with my response (and mistakenly took it for granted that it would be understood.)

what I should have said is:

"when a new member asks for a critique of a watch they are going to get a full and proper assessment of the condition of the watch"

the condition of a watch has nothing to do with the cost of the watch.
however, the decision as to whether to purchase the watch has everything to do with the correlation of the condition and the cost

Yes, if the OP doesn't mention price, then all we can do is comment on the condition, and I think it's fair to give subjective opinions about whether condition issues bother us or not. That's how newbies learn. What's the alternative? Should we just say nothing about the condition and answer every question with "it's ok at the right price"? Maybe @janice&fred thinks that's a good response for every situation, but IMO it's not particularly helpful.

If the OP provides information about price, then we can also comment on that, but often they don't, and that's not our fault.
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Maybe @janice&fred thinks that's a good response for every situation, but IMO it's not particularly helpful.

And that's fine if that's your "subjective" opinion and you don't agree. And if you think my comments on price are not particularly helpful in every situation then newbies will go without one of the most salient factors when making purchase decisions.
 
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And that's fine if that's your "subjective" opinion and you don't agree. And if you think my comments on price are not particularly helpful in every situation then newbies will go without one of the most salient factors when making purchase decisions.

Detailed comments on price are helpful, but simply saying "it's a nice wearer at the right price", is not specific enough to be helpful IMO.
 
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Detailed comments on price are helpful, but simply saying "it's a nice wearer at the right price", is not specific enough to be helpful IMO.

Nor is it helpful dismissing a genuine specimen by saying "run" without knowing price, or focusing on movement component color shades as grounds for dismissal on 50 plus year old watches. We all have our particular focuses and best to take everything into consideration including the key to every purchase...price.
 
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And that's fine if that's your "subjective" opinion and you don't agree. And if you think my comments on price are not particularly helpful in every situation then newbies will go without one of the most salient factors when making purchase decisions.

No-one is saying that value for money isn’t an important part of the decision of whether to purchase or not.
However, in the title of the thread the OP asked for confirmation of legitimacy and didn’t mention cost or value.
The members gave their reasonable opinions on the originality and condition of the watch, which was what was requested.

price is an important factor but is not the be all and end all in the decision making process, especially in a field full of collectors who might prize condition over cost.
 
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OP asked for confirmation of legitimacy

Of the dial, which in fact is legitimate. So of course the next logical thing considering the overall condition should be price in most anyone's book. After all the OP obviously is interested in possibly purchasing the piece no? It's a very subjective thing when it comes to wabi/aging of vintage watches but if a newbie happens to like a particular look then a bit of restraint should be exercised in commenting. Things like "run" or differences in movement component colors, or "I don't particularly like it" are not as helpful as advising on value price-wise. The watch is aged and shows it, so obviously it's not for everyone. Just like safe queens are out of the price range for most newbies and hobbyists as well. How is anyone supposed to learn unless they pick up some legitimate oldies to play with?
 
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but if a newbie happens to like a particular look then a bit of restraint should be exercised in commenting. Things like "run" or differences in movement component colors, or "I don't particularly like it" are not as helpful as advising on value price-wise.
So you're saying only your comments really matter and the rest should #$$... Alrighty

This came out a bit harsh maybe...
 
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Of the dial, which in fact is legitimate. So of course the next logical thing considering the overall condition should be price in most anyone's book. After all the OP obviously is interested in possibly purchasing the piece no? It's a very subjective thing when it comes to wabi/aging of vintage watches but if a newbie happens to like a particular look then a bit of restraint should be exercised in commenting. Things like "run" or differences in movement component colors, or "I don't particularly like it" are not as helpful as advising on value price-wise. The watch is aged and shows it, so obviously it's not for everyone. Just like safe queens are out of the price range for most newbies and hobbyists as well. How is anyone supposed to learn unless they pick up some legitimate oldies to play with?

Wow, You remind me of an American friend of mine - he too is like a dog with a bone when he has an opinion to defend.


to quote the OP
Hey! So I’ve done some homework on this one. The movement looks right, the only thing that seems off is the writing on the dial. It looks repainted but I’mnotsure.” (Sic)

I’m happy to repeat myself if it helps.
No-one is saying that when buying a watch the price is not important.

But it is not always the most important thing as you are continuing to contend.

it was very obvious the OP was asking for comments on more than just the dial.
By mentioning the movt they solicited views on that too - it is a logical progression to also mention the condition of the case.

The movt is patently not ‘right’ and whilst of course parts can be changed over the life time of the watch, multi coloured elements are often a sign of a cobbled together movt.
If the OP learns anything from this thread, it was this lesson.

I don’t know the OP but often new members just want to buy a good watch without getting burned.
I know that’s what I wanted when I started collecting, I had no interest (Or the disposable income) in learning by playing with oldies.
I learned the potential pitfalls by reading the threads here (just like this one) and presented my first purchase target for comment by the members.
Fortunately, I got it right and by chance I’m wearing that very watch right now.
 
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i think everbody is on the same level. If the OP mentioned he could buy it for $ 250 everybody would have said: "go".
 
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This came out a bit harsh maybe...
Wow, You remind me of an American friend of mine - he too is like a dog with a bone when he has an opinion to defend.

You all know what I'm getting at. When it comes to newbies some of y'all need to work on your bedside manner. If someone posts about a watch they're interested in then don't make the guy feel like an asshole for liking it. It's important to take the entire situation into account including price and budget. Just like if no movement picture is presented, price needs to be presented as well before proper assessment can be made whether the watch may or may not be worth pursuing by the OP. Over-the-top negativity is just going to make newbies gun shy on posting their next potential watch.
 
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i think everbody is on the same level. If the OP mentioned he could buy it for $ 250 everybody would have said: "go".

I believe I said that already but thanks for proving my point...
 
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The movt is patently not ‘right’ and whilst of course parts can be changed over the life time of the watch, multi coloured elements are often a sign of a cobbled together movt.
If the OP learns anything from this thread, it was this lesson

You might want to read what Archer posted on that issue before you declare it as "patently not right" . He knows more about that than us.
 
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You all know what I'm getting at. When it comes to newbies some of y'all need to work on your bedside manner. If someone posts about a watch they're interested in then don't make the guy feel like an asshole for liking it. It's important to take the entire situation into account including price and budget. Just like if no movement picture is presented, price needs to be presented as well before proper assessment can be made whether the watch may or may not be worth pursuing by the OP. Over-the-top negativity is just going to make newbies gun shy on posting their next potential watch.
Valid^, but members bickering like an old married couple is more likely to drive the OP and noobies away IMO

please stop this, or get a room (Ie take it offline)