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Omega Constellation dog leg, pie pan with arrowhead markers: my new incoming and research
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Wizzar
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I dont like sniping for smallest detail based on low quality photos and judging, I have no problem with investigating until someone said caseback is fake while it's obviously not, it's enough to follow desmond guide to compare perlage and its obvious after checking and other details, or hands lenght based on photo which is from angle.. It's just funny, I dont have time to explain everything for unknown people from internet and listening to someone who is sure by watching one photo. It was not a purpose of my comment. I know sources of my watches, I just wanted to share nice watch but I dont have to so I decided to remove it
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersThe whole point of a discussion forum is to discuss.
If you choose to start a conversation, on an open forum, you can’t decide what direction that conversation takes.
Your watch is interesting- and as I said, very much an outlier and worth discussing.
Others were concerned about some of the details of the watch but you have now stopped the conversation before it was drawn to a conclusion.
Your choice of course but still very bad form.
If you choose to start a conversation, on an open forum, you can’t decide what direction that conversation takes.
Your watch is interesting- and as I said, very much an outlier and worth discussing.
Others were concerned about some of the details of the watch but you have now stopped the conversation before it was drawn to a conclusion.
Your choice of course but still very bad form.
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Wizzar
·The whole point of a discussion forum is to discuss.
If you choose to start a conversation, on an open forum, you can’t decide what direction that conversation takes.
Your watch is interesting- and as I said, very much an outlier and worth discussing.
Others were concerned about some of the details of the watch but you have now stopped the conversation before it was drawn to a conclusion.
Your choice of course but still very bad form.
I didnt ask for legit check, and this was not my thread asking for identification so I didnt start a conversation, I just posted my watch.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Tut tut. Not a wrongun are you Wiz? Good luck with selling anything on here in future if you don’t want your watches to be scrutinised. I see this isn’t the first thread where you show petulance when the discussion doesn’t go your way and reach for the delete button. Interesting behaviour.
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Wizzar
·Tut tut. Not a wrongun are you Wiz? Good luck with selling anything on here in future if you don’t want your watches to be scrutinised. I see this isn’t the first thread where you show petulance when the discussion doesn’t go your way and reach for the delete button. Interesting behaviour.
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersYep, my choice.
I didnt ask for legit check, and this was not my thread asking for identification so I didnt start a conversation, I just posted my watch.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Dont worry, you can see some small % of my collection in WRUW topic from the days when I felt like posting more frequently to see that I own many and I'm experienced and knowleadgable vintage collector. I'm not interesting in selling. Think what you want, I'm not going to spam here any longer.
You have the whiff of an amateur dealer mate. Or a chancer.
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·Well an experienced and knowleadgable collector won’t need our future help with trivial matters like ‘is it real’ and ‘what’s it worth’ which seem to make up most of your previous threads.
You have the whiff of an amateur dealer mate. Or a chancer.
Again, funny that you refer to one or two topics ignoring many others proofing my collection, and I never sold anything and you call me amateur dealer. I just love superficial judgments 😀
What you said perfectly describes some people here, if you know, why would you ask? Next step of such thinking is omniscience, good luck.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Not true, I was just curious about it, asking questions doesn’t mean you don’t know much yourself. You may just want to know each others opinion.
Again, funny that you refer to one or two topics ignoring many others proofing my collection, and I never sold anything and you call me amateur dealer. I just love superficial judgments 😀
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·This just goes to show how careful you have to be in this hobby. To those of you looking to buy one of these (and many other commonly faked models), if you don’t have the 10k hours of expertise, then you need someone - unbiased - by your side that does. The forum is still a helpful source for that; we have no skin in the game.
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··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersThis just goes to show how careful you have to be in this hobby. To those of you looking to buy one of these (and many other commonly faked models), if you don’t have the 10k hours of expertise, then you need someone - unbiased - by your side that does. The forum is still a helpful source for that; we have no skin in the game.
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Wizzar
·We all know there are examples on this forum of flawed evaluations and hasty judgments. Given the complexities of manufacturing back then and the many non-standard cases, it really calls for a measured approach rather than an overly confident tone. Transition periods, distortions resulting from the quality of the photo or the refraction of light and many other factors should be considered.
But what I see far more often is a matter of routine, group of people where opinions are echoed just because you think it should be like this. And sometimes it is, but sometimes not. Just as one has to watch out for fakes, one also needs to be wary of superficial assessments.
It’s a pity, because as a collector I would love to learn everything possible about this transitional model. Yet, instead, I see people making definitive pronouncements based on just a single photo so, I'll drop the topic of analysis on this forum.
But what I see far more often is a matter of routine, group of people where opinions are echoed just because you think it should be like this. And sometimes it is, but sometimes not. Just as one has to watch out for fakes, one also needs to be wary of superficial assessments.
It’s a pity, because as a collector I would love to learn everything possible about this transitional model. Yet, instead, I see people making definitive pronouncements based on just a single photo so, I'll drop the topic of analysis on this forum.
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·We all know there are examples on this forum of flawed evaluations and hasty judgments. Given the complexities of manufacturing back then and the many non-standard cases, it really calls for a measured approach rather than an overly confident tone. Transition periods, distortions resulting from the quality of the photograph or the refraction of light and many other factors should be considered.
But what I see far more often is a matter of routine, group of people where opinions are echoed just because you think it should be like this. And sometimes it is, but sometimes not. Just as one has to watch out for fakes, one also needs to be wary of superficial assessments.
It’s a pity, because as a collector I would love to learn everything possible about this transitional model. Yet, instead, I see people making definitive pronouncements based on just a single photo so, I'll drop the topic of analysis on this forum.
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersWe all know there are examples on this forum of flawed evaluations and hasty judgments. Given the complexities of manufacturing back then and the many non-standard cases, it really calls for a measured approach rather than an overly confident tone. Transition periods, distortions resulting from the quality of the photo or the refraction of light and many other factors should be considered.
But what I see far more often is a matter of routine, group of people where opinions are echoed just because you think it should be like this. And sometimes it is, but sometimes not. Just as one has to watch out for fakes, one also needs to be wary of superficial assessments.
It’s a pity, because as a collector I would love to learn everything possible about this transitional model. Yet, instead, I see people making definitive pronouncements based on just a single photo so, I'll drop the topic of analysis on this forum.
Omega was a high quality watch producer and whilst there are known variations due to outsourcing parts, like dials and cases, these watches were produced to a high standard and have been studied in their thousands (tens of thousands) by folks on this forum and there are certain standards which point to originality.
-and also, remember, that we are talking about Omega's flagship top-of-the range watch here, so there really was no place for non-standard cases or rogue variations.
The arrowhead dogleg is not so much a 'transition' watch but more of an aberration that lingered on from a previous design era - there are so few of them that it's possible that they were only produced as a special order, or possibly to just use up old stocks of dials.
The watch you presented pushed the limits of the aberration (time-wise) to a point where it was deserving of intense scrutiny.
I do know that members here like nothing better than finding a genuine anomaly as it expands the knowledge base about these watches.
-and we often say, with Omega never say never, until proven otherwise.
I think you'll find that I was quite measured in my comments on your watch but I don't know if your watch is genuine or has been cobbled together. e.g. the hands really don't go with the dial - in both style and length - but that doesn't mean the dial doesn't belong to the case or movt.
However, by taking umbrage and removing the pictures of the watch you have negated the opportunity for a lengthier discussion on the possible originality and thus the potential for a very interesting discussion.
The conclusion may not have been one that you appreciated or upon closer scrutiny the discussion may have turned in favour of the watch but either way you would have had the benefit of comments from some of the most experienced Constellation collectors, anywhere.
Better all-round images would certainly be good to see.
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