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Then send it to Christie’s, pay them a commission and let them auction it for you. If you do that, don’t be surprised if the buyer comes back at them for misrepresentation.

People like you damage this hobby.

I’m out.
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Because I advertised a watch exactly how an "expert?" appraiser described it at a much lower price? What should I be trying to sell it for?
 
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They probably aren’t correct on that. I trust Goldammer more and they have questions, too.

https://goldammer.me/blogs/articles/steel-vintage-watch-case-maker-guide?srsltid=AfmBOooVnEyaQWfM5Wa9K1mWDXQ4CapZVZ3qRoBdJmwYT5muEmdHU5uK#:~:text=7) Etoile - Sandoz & Breitmeyer (?)

I’m always happy to buy beer when I see something that I haven’t seen before. When you sell that overpriced redial are you going to send all the people here a commission?
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Always willing to learn new stuff - but I can find no reference to Guillame Geneste (except for a photographer) or Geneste & Cie in Mikrolisk or on the net.

Anybody else heard of or seen the name?
 
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Always willing to learn new stuff - but I can find no reference to Guillame Geneste (except for a photographer) or Geneste & Cie in Mikrolisk or on the net.

Anybody else heard of or seen the name?
I'd never heard of them before they sent me the appraisal either 🤷‍♂️ I just assumed Christie’s watch department knew what they were talking about with the amount of watches they sell.
 
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Because I advertised a watch exactly how an "expert?" appraiser described it at a much lower price? What should I be trying to sell it for?
you can ask what you like of course - but it is the knowingly misleading description that is the problem. (and please don't fall back on "but Christie's said")

Describe it properly, ask what you will and let the market decide on its value - no problem with that.
 
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you can ask what you like of course - but it is the knowingly misleading description that is the problem. (and please don't fall back on "but Christie's said")

Describe it properly, ask what you will and let the market decide on its value - no problem with that.
After all I have read here I'm going to do just that first thing in the morning. I was just relying on the information and valuation I was provided by who I thought was a reliable source.
 
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After all I have read here I'm going to do just that first thing in the morning. I was just relying on the information and valuation I was provided by who I thought was a reliable source.
well, a bit of advice, if I may,
amend the description of the dial to note it has been 'restored'. (the usual dealer's term for redialled)
omit the bit about Geneste and the rare elite case - because its not and nobody has heard of Geneste & Cie and its doubtful if they even exist. (unless Christies can cite their source of course) It is a special order case - but to most collectors it is inferior, not superior, without its gold iconic medallion.
the outer dial finish is clous de Paris (not cloud)
- and, whilst it is a pretty watch with a passable redial, as @cristos71 says, it is not a collectors' item because it is a redialled watch and the dial is 50% of the value in a Constellation.

This doesn't mean that someone who just wants a pretty vintage watch, has too much money and doesn't know better, won't over-pay for it.
(just take it to Hong Kong and you'll have loads of cool kids with bulging wallets queuing up to buy it)
 
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well, a bit of advice, if I may,
amend the description of the dial to note it has been 'restored'. (the usual dealer's term for redialled)
omit the bit about Geneste and the rare elite case - because its not and nobody has heard of Geneste & Cie and its doubtful if they even exist. (unless Christies can cite their source of course) It is a special order case - but to most collectors it is inferior, not superior, without its gold iconic medallion.
the outer dial finish is clous de Paris (not cloud)
- and, whilst it is a pretty watch with a passable redial, as @cristos71 says, it is not a collectors' item because it is a redialled watch and the dial is 50% of the value in a Constellation.

This doesn't mean that someone who just wants a pretty vintage watch, has too much money and doesn't know better, won't over-pay for it.
(just take it to Hong Kong and you'll have loads of cool kids with bulging wallets queuing up to buy it)
🤣 appreciate the advice, its my first point of call when I wake up in the morning 👌
 
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Christie’s do have competent people, that whole spiel though sounds like either AI slop or the work experience kid answering emails.

Occasionally they have something slip through but they’re not in the business of sending people long winded appraisals on watches they haven’t inspected in person and aren’t bringing to market, and they don’t miss the mark this wildly.
 
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well now, I tried - and all I found was AI babble, much like the info in @Spoonta66 / Christie's blurb.
But none of the links lead to any further info on Geneste & Cie company.

The AI blurb for what it is worth.
 
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well now, I tried - and all I found was AI babble, much like the info in @Spoonta66 / Christie's blurb
Can you provide the AI link? I’d like to see some of the sources cited. There may be something to it, or not.

My thought is this company may have existed but much earlier than the 1950’s.
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apologies - its difficult to copy links a there are multiple links within the AI text.

If you want to follow my rabbit-hole route, I typed in multiple prompt options, such as:
Geneste & Cie swiss watch case company history
Geneste et Cie swiss watch case company history
Geneste & Cie French watch case company history
Omega Constellation 2652 with star caseback hallmark

The links were for You-tube videos and watch forums plus Goldammer - none of which appeared to reference the info produced by google AI

The latest AI blurb (from the prompt above) says

suggesting that they were active up until the early 20th Century

hope this helps
 
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While some Constellations were medallion-free (e.g. for inscriptions), I personally think that they are less desirable, not rare and more-desirable. For me, the observatory caseback is a distinctive and important part of the Constellation design.

Combined with the repainted dial and replacement hands, this watch is kind of a dog, unfortunately. A pretty dog, to be sure.

Geneste case-maker ... whether it's factual or not, it's unimportant TBH.
 
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apologies - its difficult to copy links a there are multiple links within the AI text.

If you want to follow my rabbit-hole route...
I copied one of your suggestions and put into Google Gemini AI mode. This generates sharable links that takes one to your exact inquiry.

This is the Google generated link:

https://share.google/aimode/I8wgq3BqdmHdjlW8v

Now anyone can follow you down that rabbit hole if they like, and view whatever random websites that Gemini is scraping.

Thanks.
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Changed it up, does this all sound factually correct now? Mentions the retouched dial in the first paragraph:

Early 1950s reference 2652 Constellations featuring the flat caseback and retouched multi-textured sector dial. It was a low-volume, layout during the launch window of the first ever Constellation series. It features an amazing crosshair, two tone clous de paris / hobnail outer dial ring with vertically brushed inner dial and the beautiful arrowhead indicies. It comes with a brand new brown leather authentic Omega strap and stainless Omega buckle, and the aftermarket black lizard strap shown.

Featuring a rare "no medallion" flat presentation caseback.

If the watch has ever been polished it was extremely light because the case details are extremely sharp, I beleive it to be completely unpolished. It also comes with it original box in near-mint condition, and the dial features this amazing multi-textured configuration in stunning condition.

The watch has been recently serviced and is running beautifuly at +12 seconds a day. The overall condition of this watch is a solid 9.5/10, only a few light scratches on the entire watch.

$3,500.00AUD includes delivery and tarrifs worldwide, delivery discounts for Australian residents.
 
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It isn't retouched it is completely redialed.
It isn't a semi hobnail/cloud de Paris it is a semi-waffle.
It can't be a solid (subjective) 9.5 as it is a redial and a non-original dial in any state carries way more of a downgrade than 0.5
 
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It isn't retouched it is completely redialed.
It isn't a semi hobnail/cloud de Paris it is a semi-waffle.
It can't be a solid (subjective) 9.5 as it is a redial and a non-original dial in any state carries way more of a downgrade than 0.5
Onto it 😃👌 much appreciated
 
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After all I have read here I'm going to do just that first thing in the morning. I was just relying on the information and valuation I was provided by who I thought was a reliable source.
You knew it was a redial, and chose to close your eyes and ‘rely’ on the supposed Christie’s appraisal description that has only appeared on your Facebook marketplace listing. Even after being called out you’re still clinging on trying to inflate the value and pass on your mistake to some other unknowing sucker.

If this exact watch was posted here for a valuation, you’d be told that the dial is worthless as it’s a redial, otherwise that it’s a functioning watch it isn’t worth much more than the sum of its functioning parts. Maybe ~$500 USD. Certainly nowhere near the 3.5k-5k AUD you’re asking.

Now it’s your watch, you’re free to try sell it for whatever you want. The original seller who sold it to you may or may not known the true state, impossible to know now, we aren’t the moral police here but it’s clear that you can either sell it with total transparency, or swindle someone in the manner you were swindled.
 
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hobnail.

Team „honeycomb“ (or waffle) here, looks very different than what we usually call hobnail around here:

 
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Team „honeycomb“ (or waffle) here, looks very different than what we usually call hobnail around here:

You beat me to it!

Hobnail:

Waffle: