Omega Constellation 2652 Dial: Hobnail or Honeycomb?

JimInOz

"Historically, there are only a tiny handful of known, documented examples of early 1950s reference 2652 Constellations featuring the flat caseback and this exact multi-textured sector dial. It was a low-volume, ultra-premium only layout during the launch window of the first ever Constellation series. It features an amazing crosshair, two tone cloud de paris / hobnail outer dial ring with vertically brushed inner dial (very rare in early Constellations) and the beautiful arrowhead indicies. It comes with a brand new brown leather authentic Omega strap and stainless Omega buckle, and the aftermarket black lizard strap shown.Adding to the value is the extremely rare "no medallion" flat caseback with the star stamp of the elite level Swiss case manufacturer "Geneste" who were only contracted to produce very low volume regional orders because they were an artesional casemaker, and not an industrial manufacturer. Omega contracted them due to thier top tier quality control for special production batches only.If the watch has ever been polished it was extremely light because the case details are extremely sharp, I beleive it to be completely unpolished. It also comes with it original box in near-mint condition, and the dial features this elite multi-textured configuration in stunning condition.The watch has been recently serviced and is running beautifuly at +12 seconds a day. The overall condition of this watch is a solid 9.5/10, only a few light scratches on the entire watch.This watch should not be considered a standard vintage timekeeper; it is an stunning collector piece for serious horological collectors. $5,000.00AUD includes delivery and tarrifs worldwide, delivery discounts for Australian residents."

cristos71

What a complete load of BS

Peemacgee

The first part of the watch description is missing - does it mention the redial?

The OP didn’t mention or show us the ‘rare no medallion caseback’.
Has it got a true, presentation, flat back or has the medallion simply fallen off?

Is the ‘elite level Geneste case maker’ a bit like a Gerlach case do we think?

cristos71

Gerlach and now Geneste......couldn't make it up 🤣

Spoonta66

You tell me...

Spoonta66

Which part? It was checked and valued more than that by Christies Auction House.

Peemacgee

that's fine @Spoonta66 - Omega did do medallion free presentation casebacks to be engraved for anniversaries like 25 years employment or personal dedications - you just hadn't shown it previously.
Do you have an image of the inside of the case back with the reference on it?

Spoonta66

Guillaume Geneste of the case-making firm Geneste & Cie based in Geneva who made a lot of the smooth back Constellation cases, what's the issue?

Peemacgee

Has it got a true, presentation, flat back or has the medallion simply fallen off?

gatorcpa

The medallion on a gold-capped Ref. 2652 sits in a shallow depression, so it could have simply fallen off.

Since he never showed the inside of the caseback, there is no way to know. I’d be willing to buy you a beer if it is a Ref. 2652 presentation caseback regardless of which obscure Swiss case maker actually made it.
gatorcpa

PS - I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m certainly going to ignore any requests for information from @Spoonta66 in the future.

Peemacgee

where do you keep getting your information from ?
I've said it before - and at the risk of repeating myself - please cite your sources so that we can all learn something new.

Spoonta66

Guillaume Geneste of the case-making firm Geneste & Cie based in Geneva who made a lot of the smooth back Constellation cases, what's the issue?

Spoonta66

Which part? It was checked and valued more than that by Christies Auction House.

gatorcpa

They probably aren’t correct on that. I trust Goldammer more and have questions, too.

https://goldammer.me/blogs/articles...uK#:~:text=7) Etoile - Sandoz & Breitmeyer (?)

I’m always happy to buy beer when I see something that I haven’t seen before. When you sell that overpriced redial are you going to send all the people here a commission?
gatorcpa

Spoonta66

🤣🤣 Christie's put an auction value on it of $5,500 - $7,500 USD so I thought I would try my luck at $3,400 USD and see how it went 🤷‍♂️

The description on Facebook is a modified version of what they sent me.

Peemacgee

- and evidently Christies don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to Omega Constellations (but we do)

cristos71

Historically, there are only a tiny handful of known, documented examples of early 1950s reference 2652 Constellations featuring the flat caseback and this exact multi-textured sector dial. - BS the dial is a redial


It was a low-volume, ultra-premium.. - BS how is this ultra premium exactly?

...only layout during the launch window of the first ever Constellation series. It features an amazing crosshair, two tone cloud de paris / hobnail outer dial ring with vertically brushed inner dial (very rare in early Constellations) and the beautiful arrowhead indicies. It comes with a brand new brown leather authentic Omega strap and stainless Omega buckle, and the aftermarket black lizard strap shown. Adding to the value is the extremely rare "no medallion" flat caseback.. - BS show us examples where a plain case back of this ref brings a premium please?

.. with the star stamp of the elite level Swiss case manufacturer "Geneste" who were only contracted to produce very low volume regional orders because they were an artesional casemaker, and not an industrial manufacturer. Omega contracted them due to thier top tier quality control for special production batches only.If the watch has ever been polished it was extremely light because the case details are extremely sharp, I beleive it to be completely unpolished. It also comes with it original box in near-mint condition, and the dial features this elite multi-textured configuration in stunning condition.- BS the dial is a redial

The watch has been recently serviced and is running beautifuly at +12 seconds a day. The overall condition of this watch is a solid 9.5/10 - BS with a redial it cannot be this high...

... only a few light scratches on the entire watch.This watch should not be considered a standard vintage timekeeper; it is an stunning collector piece for serious horological collectors. - BS a redialed watch would never be considered “a stunning collector piece”

$5,000.00AUD includes delivery and tarrifs worldwide, delivery discounts for Australian residents

Spoonta66

🤣🤣 Christie's put an auction value on it of $5,500 - $7,500 USD so I thought I would try my luck at $3,400 USD and see how it went 🤷‍♂️

The description on Facebook is a modified version of what they sent me.

Spoonta66

Christie's put an auction value on it of $5,500 - $7,500 USD so I thought I would try my luck at $3,400 USD and see how it went