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·yes, mine is 751
Omega chronometer grade ’69 Seamaster 168.022
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·I'll weight it up tonight or tomorrow.
..If you like, i'd be happy to trade my sparkle for your Globemaster to help you with that pain! 😀
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·It says Chronometer so it should be 168.023 with cal. 751. The non-Chronometer is 166.028.
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·Now I'm really confused. Is the non-Chrono a 166.023 or a 166.028? I read somewhere that Omega did certify some 752s so that would make 166.023 with a 752 chronometer grade and possibly quite rare.
The 752 is largely the same as the 751, but without chronometer adjustments. Most likely a 752 with adjustments is a put-together. Do you have pictures of such movements and watches?
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·166.032 is cal 752 non chronometer
Gents, auto, water resistant, calendar
168.023 is cal 751 chronometer.
Gents, auto, water resistant, chronometer, calendar
the caseback are double stamped
http://www.omega-fanatic.com/pages/gallery/omega-codes-and-movement-numbers-1254.php
Gents, auto, water resistant, calendar
168.023 is cal 751 chronometer.
Gents, auto, water resistant, chronometer, calendar
the caseback are double stamped
http://www.omega-fanatic.com/pages/gallery/omega-codes-and-movement-numbers-1254.php
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·166.032 is cal 752 non chronometer
Gents, auto, water resistant, calendar
168.023 is cal 751 chronometer.
Gents, auto, water resistant, chronometer, calendar
the caseback are double stamped
http://www.omega-fanatic.com/pages/gallery/omega-codes-and-movement-numbers-1254.php
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·I tried one on the other day. holy cow is it nice.
Buddy "what's the time?
GM owner "Er, I'll just check. It's ...wow take a look at that! What do you call that shade of blue (or black, or teal or ...well it's a seemingly long list)?
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Buddy walks off, tired of waiting for an answer and watching GM owner gazing at GM.
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·It's time for a quick update folks!
I recall on some other threads that members had asked how long should they wait before pestering their watchmaker for status updates, or indeed if it is realistic to even expect the watchmaker/restorer to provide status updates. Well I certainly wasn't expecting any kind of interim status update from Omega, but today I got one out of the blue and with some excellent detailed photos too. So I would like to treat you to a few teaser photos of my almost completed Seamaster restauration (thanks to Omega in Pforzheim for the images).
To my mind the most impressive change (so far) is the case restauration. We agreed that there should be a certain amount of brushing and polishing going on in all the right places and in the right quantities and this is how my (originally fully polished) case now looks:-
Very tasty if I may say so. A round of applause for the Omega staff in Pforzheim please.
Something you don't get to see so often is the rear of a dial, so I think it's time to correct that. Here is what you can expect to find on the back of a '69 Seamaster sparkle dial:-
and the front of the dial???? Well you will have to wait and see. All good things come to those who wait, or since the work is being done by some very dedicated folks in Germany Was lange währt, wird endlich gut.
😀
In exchange for the pretty pictures above I would like to ask for your opinion about a couple of points:-
1: The dial is being re-lumed. I don't know yet if the Lume that Omega will use will be just cosmetic, i.e. non-luminous or actually luminous. The old Tritium dots were quite dead, far from illuminating and partially missing so some rework was necessary. If the dots are non-luminous there should be no significant change to the dial visual appearance, but, and here is the point where I would like your opinion, if the dots are luminous they will almost certainly NOT be Tritium, so is it valid to still use the "-T SWISS MADE T-" text, or should it be reduced to just SWISS MADE which would be technically correct (I guess).
2: The case back medallion was deformed according to Omega, but they have an original golden case back available. The catch? It will cost 1860€. What do you folks think? Is it worth investing in a perfect new 18K case back or just living with the old one and maybe sinking those nice folding beer vouchers into this 751 Chrono?
Tough choice huh?
I recall on some other threads that members had asked how long should they wait before pestering their watchmaker for status updates, or indeed if it is realistic to even expect the watchmaker/restorer to provide status updates. Well I certainly wasn't expecting any kind of interim status update from Omega, but today I got one out of the blue and with some excellent detailed photos too. So I would like to treat you to a few teaser photos of my almost completed Seamaster restauration (thanks to Omega in Pforzheim for the images).
To my mind the most impressive change (so far) is the case restauration. We agreed that there should be a certain amount of brushing and polishing going on in all the right places and in the right quantities and this is how my (originally fully polished) case now looks:-
Very tasty if I may say so. A round of applause for the Omega staff in Pforzheim please.
Something you don't get to see so often is the rear of a dial, so I think it's time to correct that. Here is what you can expect to find on the back of a '69 Seamaster sparkle dial:-
and the front of the dial???? Well you will have to wait and see. All good things come to those who wait, or since the work is being done by some very dedicated folks in Germany Was lange währt, wird endlich gut.
😀
In exchange for the pretty pictures above I would like to ask for your opinion about a couple of points:-
1: The dial is being re-lumed. I don't know yet if the Lume that Omega will use will be just cosmetic, i.e. non-luminous or actually luminous. The old Tritium dots were quite dead, far from illuminating and partially missing so some rework was necessary. If the dots are non-luminous there should be no significant change to the dial visual appearance, but, and here is the point where I would like your opinion, if the dots are luminous they will almost certainly NOT be Tritium, so is it valid to still use the "-T SWISS MADE T-" text, or should it be reduced to just SWISS MADE which would be technically correct (I guess).
2: The case back medallion was deformed according to Omega, but they have an original golden case back available. The catch? It will cost 1860€. What do you folks think? Is it worth investing in a perfect new 18K case back or just living with the old one and maybe sinking those nice folding beer vouchers into this 751 Chrono?
Tough choice huh?
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micampe
·That's very nice. I would not touch the text. If you didn't notice the deformed medallion before, how likely are you to notice it after?
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·regarding the dial, I believe these came in both T and non T marked dials.
they come up for sale now and again. if you're keen on it, just buy another one.
regarding the medallion, not worth imho
they come up for sale now and again. if you're keen on it, just buy another one.
regarding the medallion, not worth imho
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·Something you don't get to see so often is the rear of a dial, so I think it's time to correct that. Here is what you can expect to find on the back of a '69 Seamaster sparkle dial:-
and the front of the dial???? Well you will have to wait and see. All good things come to those who wait, or since the work is being done by some very dedicated folks in Germany Was lange währt, wird endlich gut.
😀
In exchange for the pretty pictures above I would like to ask for your opinion about a couple of points:-
1: The dial is being re-lumed. I don't know yet if the Lume that Omega will use will be just cosmetic, i.e. non-luminous or actually luminous. The old Tritium dots were quite dead, far from illuminating and partially missing so some rework was necessary. If the dots are non-luminous there should be no significant change to the dial visual appearance, but, and here is the point where I would like your opinion, if the dots are luminous they will almost certainly NOT be Tritium, so is it valid to still use the "-T SWISS MADE T-" text, or should it be reduced to just SWISS MADE which would be technically correct (I guess).
There was only one spot of flaked away lume at 3 o'clock. This was very small and minor and not enough a reason to relume everything, let a lone to refinish or reprint the whole dial. The whole point of a vintage watch is to be as original as possible, unless one doesn't care to keep it vintage.
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·Looks like the hour indices have been removed, probably to refinish the whole dial. .
Out of curiosity I asked for a photo of the rear of this replacement dial and Omega duly obliged, the difference is obvious and striking.
I'm really looking forward to seeing my "old" Seamaster. I think Omega have really gone out of their way to find an optimum solution for the restoration of this watch and it's certainly proving to be an interesting learning experience for me and hopefully anyone else that stumbles across this thread.
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·Thanks for the "heads up" on the removed indices @TNTwatch. Since I'm neither a watch repairer, not particularly knowledgeable on the subject of dial restorations I dug a bit deeper and had some interesting exchanges with Omega, who have come up with a very cool solution. They have found an exact replacement NOS gold sparkle dial that was stored for over 40 years, which means it has a small amount of age-related patina, but in all other respects is perfect/untouched.
Out of curiosity I asked for a photo of the rear of this replacement dial and Omega duly obliged, the difference is obvious and striking.
I'm really looking forward to seeing my "old" Seamaster. I think Omega have really gone out of their way to find an optimum solution for the restoration of this watch and it's certainly proving to be an interesting learning experience for me and hopefully anyone else that stumbles across this thread.
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·Do you have front pictures of the two of them side by side?
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·Yes, but the picture of the re-worked dial front face has too many mistakes which have now been resolved by the NOS dial, so that is one part of the story that will forever remain buried. I suspect there were some very "interesting" exchanges between Omega and their dial restorer after I flagged up the errors.
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·I'm going to go out on a limb re #2: I think it's worth the cost considering the circumstances. You'll likely never get your investment back, but still be in the black vis-a-vis a current precious metal Seamaster. If you're in this for the long term, with no plans on selling, then having a cosmetically consistent piece would be worth the outlay. (You'd want to make sure the price they quote for the replacement doesn't include a 'core exchange', because retention of the original is critical for re-sale.)
Art
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·What a week, started badly (BREXIT) got worse (England lose 2:1 to Island) and finishes on a high - my Seamaster is on it's way back to me. I just received a surprise email plus a few pictures from the OMEGA Customer Service Manager in Pforzheim and like what I see.
NOS sparkle dial
Great sunburst effect and significantly improved facet definition on the lugs.
Just a hint of patina on the dial.
Can't wait to put this along side my Speedmaster and Globemaster
😀
NOS sparkle dial
Great sunburst effect and significantly improved facet definition on the lugs.
Just a hint of patina on the dial.
Can't wait to put this along side my Speedmaster and Globemaster
😀
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·Looks stunning, picked up a sparkle itself and just love it. Be sure to wear it lots. Enjoy.
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·Hi,
Nice story!
Has the NOS dial been relumed - I would think so because of the color of the lume?
Nice story!
Has the NOS dial been relumed - I would think so because of the color of the lume?
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