Omega cases: steel or gold? Which to prefer?

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Friends, some thoughts on the case metal of our Omegas:

- Steel is for tool watches, robust, doing the job, of course stainless.
But the metal itself, not special, you may find a piece at every corner in every junk, lots of steel around.
Iron is originally produced inside our sun and in billions of other stars visible any clear night. Spread around by a dying star. Not rare on earth, the core consist of it.

- But gold, precious forever, lasts forever, no rust, no paint, no signs from sweat. You may wear it hundreds of years, it's still solid gold. Only the movement needs service.
Look for a piece of gold in any junk, you would rarely find any.
A base for phantasy: Gold is only produced in Super Novae, seldom visible in the nightly sky. All gold on earth is from falling star dust, you may see in the night. In the inner earth core may consist of gold and other heavy metals like Platinum.

- But why there are steel watches gold plated?
It's to avoid stain? It's to show, what it is not, so talmi, illusion, fake gold?
The poor man's gold?
I still own 2 plated Seamasters and two gold cap Constellations.

- Yes gold cap is different, no fake gold because its clearly visible gold with steel like bicolour. But it's 'neither fish nor meat' as we Germans say.
All the way I don't want to keep these. And I got rid of most of my steel Omegas.

See my meanwhile reduced collection.
The Omega 168.010 with gold cap and gold medaillon even has an 18k dial (but maybe an aftermarket bracelet)!
Konrad
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I actually prefer steel cases over gold. More durable. Gold is too soft, scratches, scuffs and dents easily and it tarnishes. I DO like gold for the dial markers and hands where it's less susceptible to damage. If one wants a gold cased watch, I think that gold cap is a great compromise.
 
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I like gold, especially white gold, but im always afraid to wear my gold watches because of durability. Gold cap i dont like at all. It tries to be sth. it isnt - i pefer the real deal. Platinum is also nice, but there are rarely any vintage omegas around made of Platinum (more IWC's).
 
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@kfranzk

Interesting topic but each to their own regarding the material for watch cases - I'm pretty catholic about the subject and have a bit of everything, gold deluxe, gold, gold cap, steel and steel with gold indices.

There is no right or wrong - just personal taste.

I don't think anyone could accuse a Constellation of being a tool watch in whatever material form it comes in.

Now about your 168.010....
are you teasing us? - and did you intentionally slip in a different dial out of the watch to the one in the watch?

I'm not a great fan of the 'brutalist' dome dials that appeared around this time, with great big slabs of onyx inserts - more usually seen in later, flatter-dialled, 168.016/018 references. (or are they possibly even jet inserts rather than onyx?)

Are we to presume the back of the dial is the reverse of the one in the case? - as the one out of the case doesn't look like an 18k deluxe dial as it has prismatic onyx inserts.

Omega did some strange things in the latter half of the '60s but I've never seen a 'deluxe' dial in a gold cap case - unless it was some kind of special order? - or did you swap it out with the 'spare' dial shown?

Enquiring minds wish to know!
 
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@kfranzk
Now about your 168.010....
are you teasing us? - and did you intentionally slip in a different dial out of the watch to the one in the watch?
.....?
- or did you swap it out with the 'spare' dial shown?
Enquiring minds wish to know!
Oh no. I am not testing you and anyone intentionally, sorry!
You are right the dials differ, so obviously the watchmaker gave me the wrong photos and I did not see. I am a bit blueeyed...
I have to check the mounted dial on the back. I am on travel so it takes a month.

After I got the watch, it had a service at an Omega authorized workshop and I did not change anything.
As I switched to full gold, I lost interest and only for this thread I digged the photos.

Konrad
Here is the real watch again with an aftermarket bracelet:
 
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Full gold or steel. Happy with both, but find steel more durable on lugs. Try finding a Olympic watch with lugs like this

 
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I like looking at some gold watches, but I'm honestly not a big fan of gold when it is a pale yellow color. And gold watches don't fit into my environment and lifestyle very well, so I have only kept a few in my collection.
 
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Oh no. I am not testing you and anyone intentionally, sorry!
You are right the dials differ, so obviously the watchmaker gave me the wrong photos and I did not see. I am a bit blueeyed...
I have to check the mounted dial on the back. I am on travel so it takes a month.

After I got the watch, it had a service at an Omega authorized workshop and I did not change anything.
As I switched to full gold, I lost interest and only for this thread I digged the photos.

Konrad
Here is the real watch again with an aftermarket bracelet:

I've little doubt that the watch with the heavy onyx indices is a gold dial, so no need to take your watch apart.

It would be (very) unusual for a gold capped watch to have a solid gold dial as this is what makes the difference between a solid gold Constellation and a Deluxe Constellation. (they even have a specific reference number - 168.011)

It may have been a special order - or more likely someone took a gold dial from a scrapped watch case and put it in the gold capped watch before you acquired it.
 
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Do I understand you right?
You think, that the mounted dial in the real shown gold capped watch is 18k and should not be in this watch?
In that case, should I swap it to this 18k watch ref 168.010/11?
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By the style, I think the dial in the gold capped watch is 18k - but of course you should check if you wish to confirm.

Obviously, swapping dials would be down to your personal choice - but a gold dial in a solid gold watch makes for a 'deluxe' Constellation and the non-precious metal dial would be more correct in being in the gold-capped watch. (unless there is proof it was ordered with a gold dial - in which case I would leave well alone)
So long as they are both the same reference, they should fit one another's case.

some might say you would be creating two frankenwatches -but I'm not sure that the gold capped "watch A' is correct anyway and it's not really a problem here as they would both be technically correct (and you would only know that 'watch B' wasn't born as a deluxe if you ordered an EOA)

I would probably check the colour match between the gold dial and the gold watch first if you do intend a swap
 
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I have to look at home, wether I have an Extract of the Archive for both watches.
But I don't think they did look for details on dial, hands or crown or they may have limited data in there archive
E.g. for one C-case with silver dial they wrote ref 168.017 and for one with an 18k dial they wrote 168.009. Were there really dials swapped, I don't think.

But this discussion is senseless as long Omega does not open this extract path again.
At the end I am not a purist as long this dial is for this type of watch.

I did send an 18k ref 168.059 with 18k dial to Omega for service. They refused to remount the 18k dial as the lacquer was a bit loose, so they put a gold plated new dial in. I had to agree and will take the 18k dial to my dial specialist to have it restored, but not repainted.
Lets see! Konrad
 
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@Peemacgee
I have to look at home, wether I have an Extract of the Archive for both watches.
But I don't think they did look for details on dial, hands or crown or they may have limited data in there archive
E.g. for one C-case with silver dial they wrote ref 168.017 and for one with an 18k dial they wrote 168.009. Were there really dials swapped, I don't think.

But this discussion is senseless as long Omega does not open this extract path again.
At the end I am not a purist as long this dial is for this type of watch.

I did send an 18k ref 168.059 with 18k dial to Omega for service. They refused to remount the 18k dial as the lacquer was a bit loose, so they put a gold plated new dial in. I had to agree and will take the 18k dial to my dial specialist to have it restored, but not repainted.
Lets see! Konrad
There is a difference between C-case references and 168.010 references.
IIRC C-case deluxe watches do not have a separate reference, whereas:
the 168.004 Deluxe is a 168.014
the 168.005 deluxe is a 168.006
the 168.010 deluxe is a 168.011

if you have an EOA it will state the reference and it would likely note a gold dial if it came with one from Omega.
 
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I prefer steel. Gold is just not my color.

Gold is not all that rare. I grew up with vacations in the California gold fields. They stopped mining it, as there is too much and it softens the market. You can still pan for it after winter rains. There is a lot of gold deposited in the oceans. Estimates there is a 1 meter shell around the planet's iron core. (hard to get to.) but it does percolate up in volcanic eruptions and the water cycle. Pure water dissolves gold over time.

I also work with micro electronics, so I see a lot of ENIG (Electroless Nickel Gold) plated contacts. Even toss out trace amounts in the trash. This can be recovered, but the process cost more and is not good in that it requires strong acids, cyanide, mercury and lead. Many industrial Swiss valleys still have this heavy metal poisoning at the inversion layer level.

Ironically the San Francisco bay area is one of the places where mercury (cinnabar) is found on the surface near the old volcanic areas.
 
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Gold is not all that rare. I grew up with vacations in the California gold fields. They stopped mining it, as there is too much and it softens the market. You can still pan for it after winter rains. There is a lot of gold deposited in the oceans. Estimates there is a 1 meter shell around the planet's iron core. (hard to get to.) but it does percolate up in volcanic eruptions and the water cycle. Pure water dissolves gold over time.

I also work with micro electronics, so I see a lot of ENIG (Electroless Nickel Gold) plated contacts. Even toss out trace amounts in the trash. This can be recovered, but the process cost more and is not good in that it requires strong acids, cyanide, mercury and lead. Many industrial Swiss valleys still have this heavy metal poisoning at the inversion layer level.
I sold a lot of my scrap gold earlier this year at great prices. Of course, the price has continued to rise a bit more since then, but it was a great time for me to get some cash out of it.
 
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@kfranzk
I'm not a great fan of the 'brutalist' dome dials that appeared around this time, with great big slabs of onyx inserts - more usually seen in later, flatter-dialled, 168.016/018 references. (or are they possibly even jet inserts rather than onyx?)
Can I just ask for more details about what you mean by "brutalist" in this context...my definition comes from unfinished cast-concrete architecture which is obviously off the mark here. I value your points and observations, so I want to be sure I fully understand. Thanks so much.
 
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You’re on the right path.

Whilst the term brutalism is thought to come from ‘raw concrete’ the style is known for simple blocks of form

“Brutalism is an architectural style of the 1950s and 1960s characterised by simple, block-like forms and raw concrete construction.”

As it happens I’m a great fan of brutalism in architecture but not so much in watch furniture.
 
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I'm not an expert or anything but I've had gold plated watches that were base metal underneath, not steel. Seems more common in chrome watches. So the chrome or gold plating can wear through, leaving a not very durable metal underneath.

I'm not sure what is underneath gold capped watches (a misnomer-I've heard someone refer to them as gold shell, since the whole thing is covered). I know there is a thick layer of gold there. But what is inside? Is it base metal as well?

On gold top watches, they look like a layer of gold is put on top of steel. I see those on Connies for example, also have a Movado with similar gold top. I think the part underneath is steel
 
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I like the 70s vibe of full gold watches (integrated bracelets). I don’t mind gold plated as it’s fraction of the price of solid gold; of course it’s prone to wearing out, but it isn’t my daily beater, so…

let’s take this NAVITIMER as example. I bought it for our $3.5k few years back, the solid gold would’ve cost me twice. The gold value of it wouldn’t be worth the premium…even more so back then.