Omega 1961 Seamaster Authenticity Question

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Hello, my father surprised me this Christmas with this 1961 Omega Seamaster as he knows I'm a fan of vintage watches, and I decided to do some research on it to see if I could find out more about the watch or similar ones released at the time. Upon doing this I couldn't find any watches that had a dial that looked like mine with the numbers oriented in a way that the 7 and 8 are upside down when you look down at it, and when I tried searching from the reference number on the caseback it brought up a completely different looking watch.

I'm not an expert, but from what I can tell from looking at other Omegas, the movement looks legit, so I'm wondering if this is an incorrect or restored dial or maybe some weird one off model that I'm clueless about. Any insights at all would be greatly appreciated.

The below photos are from the seller he bought it from on ebay.
 
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Looks like a redial to me, the rest looks straight, though it likely started without the 30 on the dial judging by Google hits for the case number. As you say the irregular treatment of the 5 and 7 is a big tell but there are others.
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Hello, my father surprised me this Christmas with this 1961 Omega Seamaster as he knows I'm a fan of vintage watches, and I decided to do some research on it to see if I could find out more about the watch or similar ones released at the time. Upon doing this I couldn't find any watches that had a dial that looked like mine with the numbers oriented in a way that the 7 and 8 are upside down when you look down at it, and when I tried searching from the reference number on the caseback it brought up a completely different looking watch.

I'm not an expert, but from what I can tell from looking at other Omegas, the movement looks legit, so I'm wondering if this is an incorrect or restored dial or maybe some weird one off model that I'm clueless about. Any insights at all would be greatly appreciated.

The below photos are from the seller he bought it from on ebay.
Regarding the movement, checking the serial number it dates to 1961, and the 268 was used as late as 1963, and it appears to be genuine, unfortunately that’s all i can contribute.
 
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Looks like a redial to me, the rest looks straight, though it likely started without the 30 on the dial judging by Google hits for the case number. As you say the irregular treatment of the 5 and 7 is a big tell but there are others.

Thanks for the info. That's what I was thinking, I also just found sources online that say the Seamaster 30 was introduced a year later in 1962.
 
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Thanks for the info. That's what I was thinking, I also just found sources online that say the Seamaster 30 was introduced a year later in 1962.

It’s pretty much the same watch just branded differently. The redialler maybe thought it added interest.
 
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Original sale ad says "redialed" DIAL: Black dial ( Professional redial ) .

https://bit.ly/3hDNzrg

Seller often offers redialed watches but states that in his descriptions

To the OP: Price is roughly stated in the link so maybe don't click on it as it was a present
 
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Hello and welcome. I am convinced that when you have gained some experience and looked at plenty of vintage watches you will find this redial just as awful as me. It's sloppy, uncrisp and the shining white colour makes the watch look just brand new. And the numerals!
Return the watch if possible and explain to your father in a gentle manor all the flaws regarding this watch.
 
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...or enjoy it for what it is: A nice gift from someone who loves you. 😀
 
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...or enjoy it for what it is: A nice gift from someone who loves you. 😀
I agree, he could even buy a genuine dial for it.
 
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Original sale ad says "redialed" DIAL: Black dial ( Professional redial ) .

https://bit.ly/3hDNzrg

Seller often offers redialed watches but states that in his descriptions

To the OP: Price is roughly stated in the link so maybe don't click on it as it was a present

Ah, that explains it. We're both actually looking into this since we're kind of nerds when it comes to originality in vintage items, he must've overlooked that part.
 
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Ah, that explains it. We're both actually looking into this since we're kind of nerds when it comes to originality in vintage items, he must've overlooked that part.
I see that you still can return it. The buying price was almost €1.000. You will be able, with some patience to find a legit watch for that kind of money. Just a friendly advice from me. 😀
 
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Thanks for all the replies guys, it's been pretty fun figuring out what's up with this watch. I'm curious if anyone knows what the correct dial for this watch would be, or if Omega ever made a dial that looks like what I have, OR if it's even worth it to go through the trouble (I don't mind going on a hunt for a real dial).

Whenever I look up the reference number it brings up a dial like the one pictured, though this one has a serial number for 1960. I've been having trouble finding examples of a black dial on a 1961, and wonder if it's even supposed to have one in the first place. to have one
 
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Almost certainly not a black dial to begin with, but a silver dial similar to what you posted above.

A redial it may be and under normal circumstances this would be a straight return, but as this is the one your dad picked out to start your vintage watch collection I'd be inclined to keep it.
 
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In this era, Omega fitted countless dials to a given case number so it is tricky to be sure what a redial would have looked like. One thing is certain though, yours is certainly not true to any original black dial variant, if there ever was one.

It is a rule of thumb that seasoned Omega collectors follow that it is best to assume any 50s or 60s Omega dress or dress/sports watch you see, (by which I mean Constellations, certain Seamasters and SMDVs) are redials. if you start with that assumption, you will be safer than if you assume it is right until it is proven otherwise since the proportion of legit black dials you will find is vanishingly small, like a few %. Only very hardcore collectors have the knowledge to buy one of these and get it right every time. Your seller was actually pretty open, not many are.

If it is going to annoy you and your dad you should return it if the seller accepts this. You didn't get it cheap so you shouldn't have to put up with something that isn't spot on.
 
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Almost certainly not a black dial to begin with, but a silver dial similar to what you posted above.

A redial it may be and under normal circumstances this would be a straight return, but as this is the one your dad picked out to start your vintage watch collection I'd be inclined to keep it.

We're pretty much on the same page that if it's not original then there's no point in keeping it, and I do already have a couple vintage watches including my grandfather's Omega from the 50's which is why I'm partial to the brand. Besides, I did leave out the fact that the seller did say it was serviced and the thing ran for about 6 hours before it stopped so it will be going back. Thanks for the info!
 
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In this era, Omega fitted countless dials to a given case number so it is tricky to be sure what a redial would have looked like. One thing is certain though, yours is certainly not true to any original black dial variant, if there ever was one.

It is a rule of thumb that seasoned Omega collectors follow that it is best to assume any 50s or 60s Omega dress or dress/sports watch you see, (by which I mean Constellations, certain Seamasters and SMDVs) are redials. if you start with that assumption, you will be safer than if you assume it is right until it is proven otherwise since the proportion of legit black dials you will find is vanishingly small, like a few %. Only very hardcore collectors have the knowledge to buy one of these and get it right every time. Your seller was actually pretty open, not many are.

If it is going to annoy you and your dad you should return it if the seller accepts this. You didn't get it cheap so you shouldn't have to put up with something that isn't spot on.

That's insane, I'm glad I came here because I'd have never found this stuff out on my own. Definitely gonna be a lot more critical looking at these watches in the future. Thank you!
 
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The ad says redial but it also says I can guarantee all my watches authentic and original.” So if you miss the redial part or is new to vintage watches and not sure about the termonology I would still say the listing is edging on misleading.
 
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We're pretty much on the same page that if it's not original then there's no point in keeping it, and I do already have a couple vintage watches including my grandfather's Omega from the 50's which is why I'm partial to the brand. Besides, I did leave out the fact that the seller did say it was serviced and the thing ran for about 6 hours before it stopped so it will be going back. Thanks for the info!

glad to hear you are sending it back, maybe you can take the funds and you and your dad together can research and find something better. This forum is a great place to learn and also keep an eye on the sales forum.