October 5th 2020 - Snoopy Celebration

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Have on good authority that anyone that was listed in the first round would have their watches within 12 months.
So WoS is full of it if they are saying Omega is trying anything Daytona.
Pure and simple they were a bit overwhelmed by initial response and have stopped taking orders that extend them over a year. If you were in within 10 minutes I can’t see it being 2 years.

VIP thing is such a suspect Rolex thing also. One of the Sydney receivers was a young fella that had never bought a watch.

And if you got told 2 years you will be happy in a few months when you receive your watch 😉

Thanks. That's encouraging.

I have no special inside info but those of us on the opening list with my AD (10 people) were told that they still expect our orders to be fulfilled within the original terms (6 months). My main concern at this point is the prospect of multiple price hikes between now and then -- even a 6% bump is a significant premium on a CAD 13,100 watch. Would be nice if the AD honoured the original price, but don't expect it given demand.

I'll be disappointed if they Rolex this watch via a VIP system, etc. in some markets, but I can see why they'd want to. Depends on whether the goodwill generated by Omega's general availability and un-Rolexness over the past few years is worth more than the drive upmarket.
 
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Thanks Archer. I respect your opinion based on all your contributions to the forum. I’m a long time reader, but only recently registered my account. I was just relaying what the boutique told me about my Moonshine Apollo 11, it has to go Switzerland if anything goes wrong, instead of the service center in my country.

So remembering this post, I just checked. Omega Work Instruction 31 outlines what movements are able to be serviced at local service centers, and what movements must be sent back to Bienne (Bienne only).

This document was last updated Dec. 2, 2020, so it's quite recent. It lists the 3861 as a locally serviced movement - it doesn't have to be sent back to Bienne. Now it's certainly possible that whatever country you are in, the watchmakers are not able to service these for lack of training, etc., but there is no blanket policy that states these have to go back to Bienne.
 
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If that’s true, it’s definitely not a selling point IMO

Not true for the 3861, however the 321B is Bienne only,. just like the vintage 321's...
 
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Not true for the 3861, however the 321B is Bienne only,. just like the vintage 321's...
That makes sense - my 3861 was serviced by omega’s service centre in Southampton U.K. when the movement went wrong....but I guess it depends if watchmakers in each particular country can do so to your other point.
 
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Welcome on the Omega forums and thank you for your contribution already.

There are many feelings about Omega, Rolex and the ever popular (or dreaded, depending on how you see it) Omega v. Rolex.

But to say that Omega is playing “Rolex tactics” is really a stretch in my opinion. Even for the cal. 321 I do not feel this way... but I am happy to read others’ thoughts. 👍


Long time follower of this forum, thanks for all the info & conversations - congrats to all that have received the watch.

Got an update from my OB in NYC today so wanted to share here as the info others have shared has been so valuable to me.

I placed my order (with a 100% Deposit) with an OB on the day of the announcement (literally 10 mins after!), at the time the guidance was 'don't know when they'll be received, 2-3 months maybe' and that was fine, this was later updated to Q12021 which was also fine, expectations were managed.

First point - OB staff have been really good, nice knowledgable people just trying to build relationships - super responsive. I'm new in NYC and I don't have a purchase history with the boutique and have been very pleasantly surprised.

As I've seen a few pieces arrive on here, I wanted to check if Q1 was still realistic, so I reached out - they were able to confirm today that they'd received one watch so far, which went to a VIP with considerable purchase history. I don't actually have a problem with this, we're all in the relationship business.

However the bad news - and it is bad news - OB then confirmed that the wait could now be as long as two years.

Apparently, the demand has been exponential, there's an enormous waitlist just to get on the 'maxed out' deposit list (which I'm told I'm lucky to be on!) and OB also confirmed that Omega is looking at previous purchase history to assign these watches.

I don't mind watches going to 'VIP customers' first, business is business, but I do mind that Omega has taken 100% deposits off customers - knowing they won't fulfill the orders for over two years... that has to have been known & should have been communicated. Omega's 150+ years old, they chose when to announce, they know how watch manufacturing scales and they know how to release, run & close a deposit program. So why are Omega treating customers like a first timer on Kickstarter? Do they need the cashflow boost?

I was reminded I could take a 'full refund' at any time. (again I want to point out that the OB people have been really understanding and cool about this, they're frustrated they can't help too)

With this news, I went to go speak to some watch friends this afternoon and dropped into the good people at WoS on the way and the feeling there was that 'they're trying to be like Rolex with the Daytona' - they know it's a hot watch & they're managing supply to create some hype/exclusivity & elevate the brand.

Sorry if this comes as bad news to others in the same situation as me - but given the zero corporate comms on this watch I wanted to share.

I now have a choice to make regarding my deposit - honestly, I just wanted to enjoy the watch & I was excited to see it released, I am in no hurry to get my deposit back...(a two-year interest-free loan to omega does rattle a bit though) but a larger part of me is concerned that although Omega's actions will undoubtedly increase awareness/desirability... I will now (eventually) be receiving a 'super hard to find conversation piece' and I really don't want to attract the attention of a tonne of hypebeasts who like to 'flex'.

I'm a big believer in the idea that what you wear allows you to help others navigate who you are as a person. Originally this watch was a beautiful, well-engineered, fun watch with a story that really stirs the imagination from a respected brand that isn't flashy. My fear now is that these kinds of tactics will turn my daily-life with the watch into a constant 'oh sick bro you got a snoopy, they cost like X, what do you do?'.

Lame.

Apologies if my first ever post sounded disgruntled, but this just feels like a pretty cheap hype-tactic from an established luxury brand.

Big love to the community.
 
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With the 321, if you put down a deposit you know you're going to get one. With Rolex you may or may not get a Daytona no matter what you spend. Same situation with Patek and the Nautilus/Aquanaut. I've heard AP does their allocation the most fair way if you go through their company owned boutiques.
 
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This is years ago, but I had a Rolex dealer offer to sell me a stainless Daytona if I bought an all gold at the same time........I just wish there was some communication from my OB.
 
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Thanks Archer. I respect your opinion based on all your contributions to the forum. I’m a long time reader, but only recently registered my account. I was just relaying what the boutique told me about my Moonshine Apollo 11, it has to go Switzerland if anything goes wrong, instead of the service center in my country.
I think the Moonshine Apollo 11 is a different kettle of fish though.
 
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I think the Moonshine Apollo 11 is a different kettle of fish though.

It’s based on the movement, not the case materials...no different for the moonshine version.
 
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And a first private listing on chrono24 from Australia:
Poland. Germany. Monaco. Italy and now Australia
Really... I mean Really?
It will settle at mrp in a year or 18 months. I have been told that enough are going to come. Swatch group higher up says no one will be empty handed. They just don't wanna flood the market so soon. They are enjoying the pepsi/Daytona like hype.

However, they are not rolex and they don't want to be . They want consumer satisfaction over reseller satisfaction (rolex)

Let's hope that happens
 
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So much conflicting information! On the one hand we hear that there are 1000+ paid deposits in the US (which probably amounts to 20k globally) with up to a 2 year wait just to clear out the deposit list. And then multi-thousand more people on the waiting list for the deposit list - yet somehow there is enough for everyone and they are going to be readily available?... 😀
 
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So much conflicting information! On the one hand we hear that there are 1000+ paid deposits in the US (which probably amounts to 20k globally) with up to a 2 year wait just to clear out the deposit list. And then multi-thousand more people on the waiting list for the deposit list - yet somehow there is enough for everyone and they are going to be readily available?... 😀
Omega tend to be a little slow with their release distribution. It's not anything new, but I believe that they are trying their best to get the watches out there.
 
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Omega tend to be a little slow with their release distribution. It's not anything new, but I believe that they are trying their best to get the watches out there.

I'm not complaining nor do I disagree. But we have second hand information that OBs are telling customers up to 2 years just for the paid list. And then as many, if not more people on a the wait list after that. But then we have executives saying not to worry. All I am saying is that something doesn't add up. Which is probably why we haven't heard any official information.
 
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With the 321, if you put down a deposit you know you're going to get one. With Rolex you may or may not get a Daytona no matter what you spend. Same situation with Patek and the Nautilus/Aquanaut. I've heard AP does their allocation the most fair way if you go through their company owned boutiques.

yes, my experience is similar. I’ve been waiting for 3 years to get a Daytona, 2 years for a Pepsi, and I have good history with Rolex. Omega rewarded my history with 321 but I’m still waiting on snoopy (full deposit paid.)

As a new client to AP I registered official interest with my boutique here in October/November. I was told that buying a code 11.59 would open the doors to some highly sought after pieces, but I have zero interest in the code. I told them I was really after the blue chrono 38, but that I didn’t want to buy a code to get it. Christmas Eve, less than 2 months later I got the call. Granted I was referred in by a VIP and have a good reputation with the other brands/boutiques but I’d say my experience with AP has been outstanding. And, having a blue chrono for the holidays eased my snoopy FOMO lol.