Newbie Looking for a Pre-Moon Speedmaster 145.012

gophishin · Mar 5, 2015

^I completely agree with this statement, I read and reference nearly every thread, link, and discussion on here multiple times a day. Partially because I find it a lot of fun to geek out on, and partially because I want to be as knowledgeable as possible when making a purchase. The flip side from a newbie's perspective, like my own, is that I also don't want to dilute the forums with non value added posts, or questions that I can spend a little extra leg work on and find the answers myself. With that said, this is probably one of the most welcoming, respectful, and pleasant forums I've ever used, and I am extremely grateful it exists.

Spacefruit
Just wondering, if someone wanted to buy a watch through this forum, and (unlike me who rushed in overpaid in a Paris shop years ago) was prepared to diligently research, read and generally involve himself, ask questions and thank responders, then 10 posts a day, five days a week, would mean in a month the would-be owner has knowledge, and the post count, to buy.

Not many other fora do their newcomers such favours.

Davidt · Mar 5, 2015

From someone who was in your shoes perhaps 18-24 months ago, the best advice really is to spend a significant amount of time (it sounds like you are) researching the nuances of the model you're interested in. Previous 'what do you think of this' threads are unbelieveably helpful, as is Speedmaster 101 and the Moonwatch Only book.

Then be prepared to wait and wait until a good example comes along. As soon as it does, have confidence in your own knowledge to move on it fast, as if it's a good example, the chances are, others will also be interested.

Then repeat!

shogun357 · Mar 5, 2015

Kringkily
Ummm you can't just skirt the rules of posting a wtb here...

Thanks for the spirited discussion here, folks. I'm not trying to skirt any rules. Just trying to figure them out, and hopefully join this group of Omega owners. It does strike me as a bit odd though, that as someone who is a dealer who has more than a few watches to sell, that you would support rules that discourage potential customers like me from buying one, just based on the number of times I've posted. It's all good though. I'll keep scouring the FS section and post when I can. Thanks.

shogun357 · Mar 5, 2015

Spacefruit
Just wondering, if someone wanted to buy a watch through this forum, and (unlike me who rushed in overpaid in a Paris shop years ago) was prepared to diligently research, read and generally involve himself, ask questions and thank responders, then 10 posts a day, five days a week, would mean in a month the would-be owner has knowledge, and the post count, to buy.

Not many other fora do their newcomers such favours.

That's a bummer that happened to you. Sorry. I'm curious though, why would you assume that all newbies to this forum haven't already done their research, or read many of the threads here before they joined?

Davidt · Mar 5, 2015

Don't forget, even if you can't post a wtb, you can still pm well known dealers or send a pm in response to a fs post.

Spacefruit · Mar 5, 2015

shogun357
That's a bummer that happened to you. Sorry. I'm curious though, why would you assume that all newbies to this forum haven't already done their research, or read many of the threads here before they joined?

Don't feel sorry for me.....I learn differently, I have to do things the hard way!

A way open to all of course.

This forum is a short cut, and the 200 post limit should not really get in the way of anyone trying to acquire a watch. It is also a community. There are no fees here, no one is offering a service. We have no customers. (To "please")

I am not sure that a newcomer to this forum, having done his research, would find nothing to add to his knowledge by hanging around here. If he does have that knowledge then very quickly, by helping the less knowledgable, he will reach the 200 minimum. The 200 post limit is an attempt by moderators to weed out the chancers and fraudsters that so far have not got the perseverance to stick around for 200 posts. Or if they did, I think we would spot a (for example) East European teenager with a e-book and a fake paypal account trying to set someone up.

At 200 posts most here can make a judgment of a persons character.

TLIGuy · Mar 5, 2015

Spacefruit
Just wondering, if someone wanted to buy a watch through this forum, and (unlike me who rushed in overpaid in a Paris shop years ago) was prepared to diligently research, read and generally involve himself, ask questions and thank responders, then 10 posts a day, five days a week, would mean in a month the would-be owner has knowledge, and the post count, to buy.

Not many other fora do their newcomers such favours.

I know I really should walk away from this thread...

Spacefruit...I'm not sure if your comment was directed at my posts but I have to say I respectfully disagree with what your saying. I was simply offering my advice to the OP that if he was looking to buy a watch his post would be better served if was made in the WTB forum first. As he noted he could not post there, the assumption being it was because he didn't have 200 posts.

I'm simply asking why 200 posts would be needed to buy something? As I said, I completely agree with the security measures put in place to protect other members from possible scammers. There is comfort in reviewing and looking at 200+ threads to confirm the legitimacy of a seller that wants you to send them thousands of dollars blindly into an account in hopes of receiving what he is offering. In my opinion only, needing 200 post to buy something should not be warranted to buy, but I'm not is the position to make that call. My confusion lies in the fact that the same rules are posted in all three sales forums, which would make sense, but also in the WTB forum. So my question to any moderator is do we need to have 200 post to WTB an item? I recently wanted to by a vintage Speedmaster box and tried to post in the WTB forum but at 191 posts could not. A simple email resolved it and I was allowed to post there. If I was a forum reader that did my homework and was not interested in anything other than the box would you, or the moderators, have wanted me cluttering up the forum with useless posts just to get to 200 posts so I could place my WTB ad?

How I'm reading your post is that you are saying that in order to gain the knowledge to make an educated buying decision you need to do it here on the OF. This is without a doubt the best Omega forum running and the depth of knowledge and help here is very deep. That said, there are countless other places to do your homework, including your site, where one can become deeply knowledgeable about what they want.

Why should the forum decline someones desire to make his first post and purchase here if they did their homework someplace else or by quietly reading and learning without posting.

shogun357 · Mar 5, 2015

Davidt3449
Don't forget, even if you can't post a wtb, you can still pm well known dealers or send a pm in response to a fs post.

That's helpful. Thanks!

Spacefruit · Mar 5, 2015

TLIGuy
I know I really should walk away from this thread...

Spacefruit...I'm not sure if your comment was directed at my posts but I have to say I respectfully disagree with what your saying............

...........Why should the forum decline someones desire to make his first post and purchase here if they did their homework someplace else or by quietly reading and learning without posting.

Your respect is noted and appreciated. I wasn't haveing a go at you at all.

No my point was that it's a simple rule. It is also, as you discoverd a flexible one.

But I would say to your last point, why should a non profit community forum accept a transaction post from a brand new member?

Surely the forum has a right to ask that we get to know the member a little bit first?

Davidt · Mar 5, 2015

TLIGuy
I know I really should walk away from this thread...

I'm simply asking why 200 posts would be needed to buy something? As I said, I completely agree with the security measures put in place to protect other members from possible scammers. There is comfort in reviewing and looking at 200+ threads to confirm the legitimacy of a seller that wants you to send them thousands of dollars blindly into an account in hopes of receiving what he is offering. In my opinion only, needing 200 post to buy something should not be warranted to buy, but I'm not is the position to make that call. My confusion lies in the fact that the same rules are posted in all three sales forums, which would make sense, but also in the WTB forum. So my question to any moderator is do we need to have 200 post to WTB an item? I recently wanted to by a vintage Speedmaster box and tried to post in the WTB forum but at 191 posts could not. A simple email resolved it and I was allowed to post there. If I was a forum reader that did my homework and was not interested in anything other than the box would you, or the moderators, have wanted me cluttering up the forum with useless posts just to get to 200 posts so I could place my WTB ad?

As well as buyer protection, I assumed the 200 post count was also to encourage forum participation, knowledge sharing etc, and to stop people just swinging by and contributing nothing.

Almost as if the ability to post an ad was a privilege of being an active member. Now, if someone pm's a mod and says "look I'm new, but can supply references from elsewhere, I've been active for a few days here but I'm going to stick around" then great.

shogun357 · Mar 5, 2015

TLIGuy
I know I really should walk away from this thread...

Spacefruit...I'm not sure if your comment was directed at my posts but I have to say I respectfully disagree with what your saying. I was simply offering my advice to the OP that if he was looking to buy a watch his post would be better served if was made in the WTB forum first. As he noted he could not post there, the assumption being it was because he didn't have 200 posts.

I'm simply asking why 200 posts would be needed to buy something? As I said, I completely agree with the security measures put in place to protect other members from possible scammers. There is comfort in reviewing and looking at 200+ threads to confirm the legitimacy of a seller that wants you to send them thousands of dollars blindly into an account in hopes of receiving what he is offering. In my opinion only, needing 200 post to buy something should not be warranted to buy, but I'm not is the position to make that call. My confusion lies in the fact that the same rules are posted in all three sales forums, which would make sense, but also in the WTB forum. So my question to any moderator is do we need to have 200 post to WTB an item? I recently wanted to by a vintage Speedmaster box and tried to post in the WTB forum but at 191 posts could not. A simple email resolved it and I was allowed to post there. If I was a forum reader that did my homework and was not interested in anything other than the box would you, or the moderators, have wanted me cluttering up the forum with useless posts just to get to 200 posts so I could place my WTB ad?

How I'm reading your post is that you are saying that in order to gain the knowledge to make an educated buying decision you need to do it here on the OF. This is without a doubt the best Omega forum running and the depth of knowledge and help here is very deep. That said, there are countless other places to do your homework, including your site, where one can become deeply knowledgeable about what they want.

Why should the forum decline someones desire to make his first post and purchase here if they did their homework someplace else or by quietly reading and learning without posting.

Very well said. It's definitely an interesting issue.

TLIGuy · Mar 5, 2015

Spacefruit
Your respect is noted and appreciated. I wasn't haveing a go at you at all.

No my point was that it's a simple rule. It is also, as you discoverd a flexible one.

But I would say to your last point, why should a non profit community forum accept a transaction post from a brand new member?

Surely the forum has a right to ask that we get to know the member a little bit first?

Yes, flexible it is. I was just seeking clarification on the 200 post count in the WTB section. Maybe the rule should read...

Minimum post count of 200 posts is now required to post in ANY of the sales forums and the WTB forum with execeptions possible.

I agree that blocking a seller from using the forum to sell his goods and not partaking in the other aspects of the forum as a whole is a good thing. Why would OF block someone from buying something via the WTB forum that will most likely come back to share their experience.

With all due respect to you I'll leave it at that or we could go back and forth all night.

Spacefruit · Mar 5, 2015

Davidt3449
As well as buyer protection, I assumed the 200 post count was also to encourage forum participation, knowledge sharing etc, and to stop people just swinging by and contributing nothing.

Almost as if the ability to post an ad was a privilege of being an active member. Now, if someone pm's a mod and says "look I'm new, but can supply references from elsewhere, I've been active for a few days here but I'm going to stick around" then great.

I agree, and what I was trying to say, though more eloquently put

Archer · Mar 5, 2015

I have always assumed the rules were as much about protecting sellers here as buyers. You always here the advice to buy the seller, but as a seller (rarely) I always buy the buyer as well. Sales scams can go both ways.

To me it makes perfect sense to have the 200 post rule on all sales forums.

Cheers, Al

Nactex · Mar 5, 2015

So if the 200 post rule is cut in stone, why is a member who joined 2 1/2 weeks ago and has less than 125 posts selling in the Private Watch Sales and Watch Parts sections?

Spacefruit · Mar 5, 2015

Nactex
So if the 200 post rule is cut in stone, why is a member who joined 2 1/2 weeks ago and has less than 125 posts selling in the Private Watch Sales and Watch Parts sections?

....er because no one said it is in stone......

MikiJ · Mar 5, 2015

Spacefruit
....er because no one said it is in stone......

With all due respect especially considering that I'm somewhat of a NUG myself: I learned from my experience with the 101st. Airborne in Viet Nam that it is or it isn't. Seemed to be the best, maybe only way to maintain order. Also kept the Indians from over-running the Chiefs 😉 What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.

Nactex · Mar 5, 2015

Spacefruit
....er because no one said it is in stone......

NEW SECURITY MEASURES FOR THE SALES SECTIONS.

Minimum post count of 200 posts is now required to post in ANY of the sales forums. These are expected to be normal contributing posts, attempts at "post farming" will get the offender banned.

Is the new requirement a minimum of 200 posts or a link to 2 recent feedbacks on this forum? Some of us have >1000 posts yet rarely buy or sell a watch here and have no posted feedback (especially recent).

The 200 posts is a requirement.

If you list an item and you have never sold on here before obi you will not have feedback. You post count says your not here for the short haul! The feedback is there for people that want to read a review on a seller/buyer if that buyer has feedback.

So 2 1/2 weeks here and less than 125 posts is OK?

shogun357 · Mar 6, 2015

Nactex
So if the 200 post rule is cut in stone, why is a member who joined 2 1/2 weeks ago and has less than 125 posts selling in the Private Watch Sales and Watch Parts sections?

Wow. If that's true it certainly doesn't make this forum seem equitable...

shogun357 · Mar 6, 2015

Nactex
NEW SECURITY MEASURES FOR THE SALES SECTIONS.

Minimum post count of 200 posts is now required to post in ANY of the sales forums. These are expected to be normal contributing posts, attempts at "post farming" will get the offender banned.

Is the new requirement a minimum of 200 posts or a link to 2 recent feedbacks on this forum? Some of us have >1000 posts yet rarely buy or sell a watch here and have no posted feedback (especially recent).

The 200 posts is a requirement.

If you list an item and you have never sold on here before obi you will not have feedback. You post count says your not here for the short haul! The feedback is there for people that want to read a review on a seller/buyer if that buyer has feedback.

So 2 1/2 weeks here and less than 125 posts is OK?

Would you mind posting the link to the listing? I'd like to see it. Thanks!

Newbie Looking for a Pre-Moon Speedmaster 145.012

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