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I think you are missing the point, which is the significance and importance of this hand originally belonging to this watch

Not missing the importance of an original hand at all mate...in fact I deal with the importance of original hands, dials, crowns, pushers on a daily basis.

simonsays simonsays
, and the fact that it has been on and off several times by the look of it. There are huge numbers of this type of hand on watches with zero damage, that is what I am highlighting.

Hands have to be removed in order to service the watch - the fact the hand has been on and off many times is not in any way unusual. The fact that in the course of removing and installing hands they get damaged is also not anything unusual. There are huge numbers of other types of hands on other watches that are not damaged also, but that doesn't mean that hands do not get damaged in the normal course of repairs.

If you were simply pointing to this as a condition problem, that is perfectly reasonable. The fact that you imply this is somehow inherently shady is what is off.

Cheers, Al
 
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Maybe I have missed something in the tread? But if you are discussing the hands of the "ultraman speemaster watch" on the Bukowskis auction the hand in question is confirmed by Omega in their extract. Am I missing something?
"Tillbehör: Omega Extract of the Archives confirming the orange hand" Not to fishy I think?
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Maybe I have missed something in the tread? But if you are discussing the hands of the "ultraman speemaster watch" on the Bukowskis auction the hand in question is confirmed by Omega in their extract. Am I missing something?
"Tillbehör: Omega Extract of the Archives confirming the orange hand" Not to fishy I think?
😀

You missed an entire thread, it got deleted, as will this one possibly if we discuss the issue here.
 
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another interesting anomaly. Can anyone read this number? Looks like 26,077,563 to me.




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You missed an entire thread, it got deleted, as will this one possibly if we discuss the issue here.

Now that’s back albeit closed for further discussion. You can read whatever sense and/or nonsense was posted there.

We’re a proud democracy indeed! OF is perhaps one of the best place on internet to discuss about watches. Happy to be here.
 
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another interesting anomaly. Can anyone read this number? Looks like 26,077,563 to me.

I see it as 26,077,563 too which is different from the 26,077,503 stated on the website and extract. Strange.
 
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That is indeed a bit troublesome. I wonder what would come back if an extract of the correct serial was ordered without mentioning the orange seconds hand in the description? Either this is just a very rare coincidence that both the correct and incorrect serial are Ultramans or this shows that extracts aren’t much more than a serial number, reference and a production date with whatever extra cheese you ordered on top.

I am not blaming Omega here; just pointing out that the validity of extracts MAY be less worth than we hoped for. 🙁
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The auction house has confirmed that the serial number on the extract is not matching.
 
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The auction house has confirmed that the serial number on the extract is not matching.

Sorry, just for the hard of thinking (me), can we run through this?

They have listed a watch for sale as an "Ultraman".

I can see no reference in their listing to an an extract.

But they do have an extract? And it has a different serial number to the one that's on the movement?

What the what?
 
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I emailed them last night. They have updated the lot and removed the extract this morning
 
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I emailed them last night. They have updated the lot and removed the extract this morning

So they have an extract for a different watch... or a different movement... with this watch?

Well that sounds 100% legitimate.

I'll send them all my money right now.
 
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So they have an extract for a different watch... or a different movement... with this watch?

Well that sounds 100% legitimate.

I'll send them all my money right now.
The original auction listing said 26.077.503 and they showed an extract saying that serial and mentioning the orange seconds hand. As Simon pointed out that the movement is 26.077.563 they removed the extract from the pictures and changed the serial on the listing to the correct one.

The most bothering thing here is that someone probably made a typo ordering the extract and that it still came back as an Ultraman. Either a huge coincidence or something else...

I don’t have a screenshot of the extract itself but it was there yesterday and it is mentioned in the printed catalogue saying 26.077.503 as a serial.

Edit: Found the extract on Bukowskis image bank.

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The most bothering thing here is that someone probably made a typo ordering the extract and that it still came back as an Ultraman. Either a huge coincidence or something else...

Or they sent a picture of the watch with the orange second hand on, with the serial number, and the extract was filled out as an "Ultraman", irrespective.

Something is rotten in the state of Bienne.
 
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26,077,563
- > 26,077,503

Easy typo from an owner if he didn't have the caseback open and a loupe, but rather bad pics to go on (thats how I order an extract, from pics, I don't always want to open my watch, especially not after service). The high res pic that Simon showed clearly shows the 6 almost folding in on itself (a common problem), which could be easy to mistake as a zero. Owner could have thus furnished the wrong SN to Bienne, and we are on the second least significant digit here, so still in the valid range, and both could still be ultramen SNs. Come on guys...

Edit : ...and I have made this exact same mistake myself with my own watch 😀
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When someone asks for multiples of a market price because of an orange sweep hand, all the paperwork needs to be right.
 
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26,077,563
- > 26,077,503

Easy typo from an owner if he didn't have the caseback open and a loupe, but rather bad pics to go on (thats how I order an extract, from pics, I don't always want to open my watch, especially not after service). The high res pic that Simon showed clearly shows the 6 almost folding in on itself (a common problem), which could be easy to mistake as a zero. Owner could have thus furnished the wrong SN to Bienne, and we are on the second least significant digit here, so still in the valid range, and both could still be ultramen SNs. Come on guys...
Absolutely. 😀

It is still worth to point out.
 
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When someone asks for multiples of a market price because of an orange sweep hand, all the paperwork needs to be right.

I'm not disagreeing. My point in another case : Thomas Staffords 145.012 watch from Apollo Soyuz, as documented by the National Air and Space Museum.

Clearly a 145.012.

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Clearly the SN can not be as they have documented it.

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20552325

... would be for a 105.012-64.

Its more likely to be a 26552325 SN. Here this honest mistake makes a bigger difference.
 
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I understand that, but a cataloguing discrepancy in a museum piece, whilst irritating, is not the same as one in a piece that is for sale, and who’s value lies in the extract saying that it is exactly what it claims to be.

I’ve spent more time than I would like in the last two years seeing what goes on “in the trade”, and frankly, any trust I may have had in “honest mistakes” where huge sums of money are involved, has evaporated.
 
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