New Swatch x (Swatch Group Brand) may be coming

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This is $60-80 too expensive, IMO. You can justify that it should be more expensive than a Moonswatch because of the automatic movement, rotating bezel, and lume. But at the end of the day, it's $400 for something that is still going to be as plasticky and cheap-feeling as a Moonswatch.
 
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My wife was out shopping today. Snapped this pic for me. The calm before the storm.
 
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Yes. I believe sistem51 has a limited life and its non-repairable, use and throw movement with plastic parts. Swatch quartz has a better life span.

Whoa!! Is it really THAT short? I figured it was an irreparable automatic - but 2-4 years is irresponsible. If so, then this whole thing is just Fast Fashion Land Fill Fodder.
 
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I saw one YouTuber video yesterday that claimed that the case back can pop off and that there are folks out there that do service Sistem51 movements.
 
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I saw one YouTuber video yesterday that claimed that the case back can pop off and that there are folks out there that do service Sistem51 movements.
Saw the same vid, I'll leave a link here if anyone else wants to have a look:


If the movement can be removed without destroying the watch, that would make these "not a throwaway watch". Still, I think the Sistem51 is a really bad choice, I know I wouldn't ever buy a watch with it.

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Found another video that says the caseback can't be removed - making the BlancSwatch exactly what I feared, a throwaway watch ("landfill").

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Yep, as others said the Sistem 51 movement has proven to be problematic unfortunately.

I bought my sistem 51 in late 2016 and by about 2020 it was unusable. (i think there was a problem with the mainspring, i hear it clicking as i wind it). I even contacted swatch about it with no luck of course because it was out of warranty. What attracted me to the moonswatch was that it had a quartz movement just like every other Swatch. Every quartz Swatch i had experience with worked. I have some from the late 80s and early 90s that still work perfectly fine.

But, Perhaps they have modified the movement since then? not 100% sure.
They do look cool though, in my opinion. Dials look great.
 
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Curious, do people really service watches sub £500? I get it for vintage or anything with sentimental value but for a generic "utility/recreational" watch such as pretty much anything in the Swatch range, is serviceability really a major consideration?

I don't own any sub £500 mechanical watches from any brand but if I did and they broke I wouldn't bother spending money to fix them so that isn't a consideration.
 
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Curious, do people really service watches sub £500? I get it for vintage or anything with sentimental value but for a generic "utility/recreational" watch such as pretty much anything in the Swatch range, is serviceability really a major consideration?

I don't own any sub £500 mechanical watches from any brand but if I did and they broke I wouldn't bother spending money to fix them so that isn't a consideration.
I think you are an exception. I certainly wouldn't toss aside a £500 mechanical watch if it needed some work after a few years.
 
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Curious, do people really service watches sub £500? I get it for vintage or anything with sentimental value but for a generic "utility/recreational" watch such as pretty much anything in the Swatch range, is serviceability really a major consideration?

I don't own any sub £500 mechanical watches from any brand but if I did and they broke I wouldn't bother spending money to fix them so that isn't a consideration.
I don't know what your purpose is of buying a mechanical watch unless you can service it and keep in good running condition for a generation, if not more.
A watch costing $400 plus is not a disposable watch in my books.
 
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I think you are an exception. I certainly wouldn't toss aside a £500 mechanical watch if it needed some work after a few years.

Would you have a cut off point though? Hypothetically, you get a good deal on a Seiko for sub £200 but servicing would be £100-150 years later, would that be worth it? That's my thinking anyway.
 
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I don't know what your purpose is of buying a mechanical watch unless you can service it and keep in good running condition for a generation, if not more.
A watch costing $400 plus is not a disposable watch in my books.

Purpose would be a cheap and cheerful mechanical because someone likes the style, sweeping second hand and/or the idea of it being mechanical. I put a lot less thought into buying a sub £500 watch versus one that's over £2000, or even £1000.

I'd drop sub £500 on any brand of watch I liked without considering how it could be serviced (e.g. micro brands). I won't pay over £1000 without considering how it could be serviced for longevity though. I'm sure each person has their own lines in the sand for service, warranty and longevity and it could be £20.
 
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To put it another way, I've spent more on dinner only to shit it out later that night lol.
My body cant handle a5 wagu.
 
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I think there is a bit of grey area with the lower cost mechanicals. I certainly wouldn't consider a $400-$500 watch a throwaway and would need to eventually get serviced. It does become a bit more painful when the service cost equals the price of the watch. For example, my Hamilton Khaki Field Automatic is due for a service which would cost about the same as I paid for the watch ($350ish). I do need to look into Hamilton service however. I'm hoping maybe they would just swap the movement for much cheaper. Regardless, I love that watch and will keep it in running order. I also have an Orient diver that I paid around $125 for. It's a fun watch, but I could just buy a new one for less than servicing the one I have. If I stick with the watch repair hobby these are the types of watches I'd like to be able to service myself. But that pipe dream will take many years. At least they're cheap enough to buy donors if I totally mess them up.
 
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To put it another way, I've spent more on dinner only to shit it out later that night lol.
My body cant handle a5 wagu.

All about perspective 😁. A decent leather strap can run a few hundred pounds and I can only wish they last a good 4 years.
 
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...For example, my Hamilton Khaki Field Automatic is due for a service which would cost about the same as I paid for the watch ($350ish)...
...I also have an Orient diver that I paid around $125 for. It's a fun watch, but I could just buy a new one for less than servicing the one I have....

Good practical examples which illustrate my point, better than I did. There is a economic, practical tipping point when it's arguably not worth servicing a cheaper watch of any kind unless there is emotional attachment.
 
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I was tempted to buy the Antarctic or Atlantic versions, but not sure now given the short lifespan. Also makes me wonder what’s next - a £1000 Swatch - Breguet ?
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Well ... there is that khanmu.
 
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Good practical examples which illustrate my point, better than I did. There is a economic, practical tipping point when it's arguably not worth servicing a cheaper watch of any kind unless there is emotional attachment.

Good. Then there are more watches for those of us who self service our own watches 😁

Could get interesting when these bioceramic watches start getting tossed. I have noticed that nice unrepairable watches still seem to hold some value. Possibly as parts watches. New technologies may come along what makes these more repairable. iFixit had an editorial rant on parts serialization and pairing. Something that mechanical watches are not likely to fall victim to. Electronic watches do have this risk if they use a cpu or any sort of electronic chip. Ironically Farm Tractors and high performance cars are causing people to consider regulating this practice.

It is hard to predict what the next generation will value. 30 to 50 years ago dial repainting was a normal part of service. So was buffing the cases to shiny. Labor practices that were acceptable in the 14th century were considered abhorrent in the 20th century. There is nothing that guarantees future generations will not think the 14th century was the bees knees when it comes to how people could commune with the world and the natural order of reality.

I actually target watches that sell for under 65 or so. Ideally watches under 35. Occasionally I will look at something around 120. At the moment I do not have cash flow to do much more than that. Curiously this is the same as what I did 1990s. Could have acquired fewer better watches back then for the same amount as I sometimes spent on boxed lots. The no brand low end watches though have not changed all that much in price over the last 30 years.

Never had much luck selling watches. The stars never really align for that. Most of what I want to sell, I have no further use for. So it takes a long time for it to move. Or I have to sell it for next to nothing. This does not mean I do not sell watches I have probably sold some for a profit. I do like to think I have broken even over the decades.

Parts can be more of a challenge. I have had to go for as much as 200 to get a part or tool I need. Hindsight says I should have acquired complete watches 25 to 30 years ago. The temptation for something cheap was too great.

Watches are in a lot of ways emotion. The feel of a watch is what drives my desire. Would be nice If I could get more stuff in the 120 to 350 range. I have more projects than I can do as it is so that is a rather moot point.

If it was not for the liability issues, I probably would hang out a shingle and do repair for others. There simply are too many out there looking for the quick flip which does temper the desire. There will always be the sort of person who is looking for that edge.

Still I like to encourage others to learn how to self service and maintain their own watches. The trick is to find someone who can mentor and show some of the basics that the books may be deficient in.
 
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Swatch watch technology is 40 years old and I've never seen any serious attempts to fix dead ones, so I believe that is a dream that will go unfulfilled.
 
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Most watch tech is more like 400 years old.

The most interesting swatch designs still sell for a bit more than my cash flow allows. So there are buyers who do aquire them. As noted most of my swatches remain in their boxes. Many of them do remind me of pez dispensers or candy. The whole reason I bought the one I did was the candy look of it.

I actually bought a swatch last week. Mostly out of curiosity. Chances are though that it will be to nice to destroy in any experiments. There was a lot of examples of this model. Ranging in price from 40 to over 100. Will be interesting to see what it is really like when I get it.

I started doing swatch searches along with the case and chrono part searches. Especially on sites like Shop GoodWill. So there is demand for them. As to functionality. Such remains the the big question. I missed getting the one I wanted, eBay on the other hand had plenty of options as noted above.

If I am thinking of something. I suspect others are as well.