New Planet Ocean 8500 has dust particle under crystal. What are my options?

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Everyone 's got me nervous now[emoji17]

I know -- isn't that funny? After seeing the OP's photo the first thing I did was check the watch I was wearing.

From 20,000km away (via video), your gorgeous Globemaster looks dust-free to me 😀
 
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Since this is your line of work, what's entailed with this?

Case back opened, crown/stem removed, case clamps removed, movement removed, then dust removed. Next movement placed back in case, crown/stem replaced, case clamps replaced, gasket lubricated, case back secured, pressure test.

Cheers, Al
 
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Interesting timing. I also found this morning a little speck of dust and almost the same spot as you, between 10 and 11. Had this piece for a couple of months now but didn't notice this before (the dust particle shifted around inside?) bought mine at an OB. Emailing my rep about this.

Wow that's a beautiful watch, dust or no dust.
 
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Demand whatever you want. You bought it new from an AD. Return it if you have to and buy from another AD or Boutique. If you paid with a credit card dispute the charges if you have to. Unacceptable from an AD in every way on a week old piece - especially if it is bothering you.
 
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Demand whatever you want. You bought it new from an AD. Return it if you have to and buy from another AD or Boutique. If you paid with a credit card dispute the charges if you have to. Unacceptable from an AD in every way on a week old piece - especially if it is bothering you.
I guess the question is if they will charge a re-stocking fee or not. Perhaps you're right though and it can be a straight up CC dispute. Either way although I understand it is not a big deal at all I would not be happy having to send my brand new watch to service to get the dial cleaned.
 
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If it is a boutique watchmaker yes, if it is a boutique "technician" then no. I would verify that it is a boutique watchmaker before having them do the work.

Some general information on such issues...

With regards to the QC of the watches for things like dust particles, it may be useful to understand the criteria Omega uses for such inspections. They do not use macro photography, loupes, etc. when checking this. They simply check by eye from 30 cm away under specific lighting, and if the dial looks clean at that distance, the watch passes. This is fairly standard protocol from watch manufacturers.

With regards to Omega's obligation under their warranty, although different countries may have laws that modify it, Omega will repair or replace the watches at their discretion. If you read the warranty in your owner's manual, you will likely see text to that effect, so there is likely no legal obligation for them to replace a watch for something so easily fixed. If they do so, it will be as a courtesy.

Personally I would not demand a new watch for something like this. Although it's disappointing to find a problem like this, it's not like it's a malfunction of the movement, or something more serious. I'm not sure I quite understand this idea of an "untouched" watch, because honestly it's been touched by a whole whack of people at the factory when it was manufactured and assembled, but that's just my view. This seems to me to be like trying to return a new car because an overhead light inside was burnt out, and replacing the bulb meant the car was no longer "untouched" somehow...

Cheers, Al
Hi Archer,

Untouched might not be the perfect term to use, basically the idea to buy a brand new watch (IMO) from an AD is that i wanted to make sure it would be flawless, sealed, wrapped, unopened, unscratched, never worn, etc. piece.

I would say expecting a dust free watch in this price range coming from the factory shouldn't be an unachievable thing. And yes, i have to admit that the dust particles are not always visible, but in certain lightning conditions it is quite easy to notice them as i did just on a normal sunny day without any magnification.

As you've stated it's not a big deal or a serious malfunction, but it's quite disappointing to have a brand new watch opened in the first few days and i do have concerns about the "cleaning" process whether they can prevent more dust entering the watch house in a boutique or not as they can't guarantee it in a factory environment either.

It's just too much headache after waiting so long...
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I would say expecting a dust free watch in this price range coming from the factory shouldn't be an unachievable thing. And yes, i have to admit that the dust particles are not always visible, but in certain lightning conditions it is quite easy to notice them as i did just on a normal sunny day without any magnification.

And just to clarify, I'm not saying they shouldn't provide watches free of dust based on their criteria, or arguing that your watch is fine as it is. I have no idea if your watch would pass Omega's QC or not. If it doesn't meet the specs (no pun intended) then by all means they should correct it. Even if it does meet the specs and they see it with a closer inspection using a loupe, they may still fix it as a courtesy. All I am doing here is explaining the process used by Omega and others brands to determine how dust free a watch really is. I'm not taking sides...

If you look close enough there will always be something present...there is no such thing as "dust free" even in a Class 1 clean room. I understand yours can be seen in certain circumstances with the naked eye, but when I see people saying they are going to look at their dials with a 10X loupe, I always think "bad idea!" because once you see it, you can't un-see it. To go in a bit of a reductio ad absurdum direction with this, at what magnification should there be nothing visible? Do we get out the electron microscope? I realize you aren't saying we should, but the idea here is that there has to be a certain level of acceptable dust inside a watch, because it's impossible to prevent it 100%

Just know that if they place the watch under a 2000 lux lamp that has a colour temperature of 5500 degrees Kelvin, and they look at it from 30 cm away and no dust is visible, they may tell you it's within spec. I can assure you many watchmakers work to a higher standard than Omega does in many respects (myself included - I've spent 40 minutes getting the dust out of a watch I'm working on today) but often brands will stick to their written specifications.

I hope you are able to get it sorted.

Cheers, Al
 
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It is sad to see these cases popping up, and I've had my fair share of quality issues as well. Sometimes I wonder if it's better just to stop collecting watches if I can't get over these issues easily 😜


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AD is saying they will send it to Omega. I'm not thrilled with this...

Do the ADs work with Omega sales reps or account managers? Maybe I should write to omega directly.

Seems like a well travelled route here!
When you buy a watch in the UK your contract is with the AD not Omega and if you have a fault the AD has to offer a refund, replacement or repair.
However, as soon as the manufacturer touches the watch the AD can step outside the frame if they choose. This makes sending the watch back to the manufacturer an attractive option for the AD to take.
From your perspective it can then become far more problematic to resolve the issue to your satisfaction as you are dealing with a corporation rather than your friendly AD.
I'd ask for an exchange whilst you still can - especially since you really can't tell if that is the only bit of dust or if there are more to be found in the mechanism itself.


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My AD is refusing to replace it and insists on sending it to the Omega Service Facility in NJ. I've heard nothing but bad things about that facility. I usually give the benefit of doubt when there are 1 or 2 isolated bad experiences, but when the majority provides negative feedback, that's a problem. So a replacement won't happen. I've brought a case manager from The Swatch Group into the situation and she is currently seeing what can be done. If a repair is all that can be done, then so be it. But if that's the case I'd like the Omega Boutique in NYC, with an on-site watchmaker, to do the fix. No way I'm sending it to NJ.

I hear there's an Omega service center in Seattle too. Is that right?
 
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Sorry to hear that. The question is whether the facilities in NYC allow for this type of service. The tech himself is a very nice man. I met them when he fxed a bezel on my old PO xl
 
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Sorry to hear that. The question is whether the facilities in NYC allow for this type of service. The tech himself is a very nice man. I met them when he fxed a bezel on my old PO xl

When you say "tech" are you referring to the gentleman at the front desk of the service center or the watchmaker himself? I don't think the watchmaker (white coat?) actually engages with customers, though I could be wrong

I've also spoken to the front desk people. They are very nice and knowledgeable. They emailed me back inviting me to stop by to see what the watchmaker can do.
 
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I'm referring to the watchmaker I n white coat who did come down. I have the watch to the front desk and waited and then after a little bit the white coat came down and brought my watch hack. Maybe he needed a walk, or he HD another reason to come down and figured he'd save them the trip. I don't know, but he was there and he was very nice
 
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My AD is refusing to replace it and insists on sending it to the Omega Service Facility in NJ. I've heard nothing but bad things about that facility. I usually give the benefit of doubt when there are 1 or 2 isolated bad experiences, but when the majority provides negative feedback, that's a problem. So a replacement won't happen. I've brought a case manager from The Swatch Group into the situation and she is currently seeing what can be done. If a repair is all that can be done, then so be it. But if that's the case I'd like the Omega Boutique in NYC, with an on-site watchmaker, to do the fix. No way I'm sending it to NJ.

I hear there's an Omega service center in Seattle too. Is that right?

Sorry to hear that you're AD isn't playing ball; looks like we get a break in the UK with consumer law - even though AD's over here are often not too keen on the refund / replacement options.
However, I would still challenge them on the product being fit for purpose; should a $9k watch have dust inside (no), does it detract from the aesthetics of the watch (yes), can dust damage a mechanism (yes), is it therefore fit for purpose?







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FWIW, I've had several good experiences with the New Jersey folks. Your watch shouldn't have to go there, however. This is an easy 15-minute fix for a competent watchmaker. One thing to check: make sure the watchmaker has the specific Omega tool for that caseback. These cases can be extremely tight from the factory, and a generic Jaxa-type tool, even in the best of hands, can slip.
 
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Mine has been fixed by now. It looks now dust free or at least i can't see any dust particles under the crystal. 😀

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Unfortunately the happyness didn't took so long. 🙁 I've been unlucky enough to not notice a scratch on the watch housing in the boutique, it must be just me, but it seems my fears become reality. I've called the OB immediately, as i was in a rush i wasn't able to take it back to them today, but they would take care of it.

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@Archer could you please confirm whether this is something what can be fixed/polished easily? Is it possible to restore the satin finishing without taking the watch apart again, or they will need to remove the helium valve? BTW it does look much worse on the photo as it is actualy.

Conclusion: I have a 6 days old watch wearing sings of the service (there are tiny little scratches on the back side of the lugs most likely from the spring bar tool, the case opener also left its mark in the gaps of the caseback.)

Funny, but this whole saga just brought the watch closer to my heart. 😁

 
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Mine has been fixed by now. It looks now dust free or at least i can't see any dust particles under the crystal. 😀

TU6c8jX.jpg

Unfortunately the happyness didn't took so long. 🙁 I've been unlucky enough to not notice a scratch on the watch housing in the boutique, it must be just me, but it seems my fears become reality. I've called the OB immediately, as i was in a rush i wasn't able to take it back to them today, but they would take care of it.

SUweC1Y.jpg

@Archer could you please confirm whether this is something what can be fixed/polished easily? Is it possible to restore the satin finishing without taking the watch apart again, or they will need to remove the helium valve? BTW it does look much worse on the photo as it is actualy.

Conclusion: I have a 6 days old watch wearing sings of the service (there are tiny little scratches on the back side of the lugs most likely from the spring bar tool, the case opener also left its mark in the gaps of the caseback.)

Funny, but this whole saga just brought the watch closer to my heart. 😁

Glad to see you got it sorted. Just a few questions for ya.

- Was this done at an Omega boutique by an Omega watchmaker?
- How long did the process take?
- Did they tell you what was involved in the process?

I'm just curious bc I'll be going through this on Saturday
 
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Glad to see you got it sorted. Just a few questions for ya.

- Was this done at an Omega boutique by an Omega watchmaker?
- How long did the process take?
- Did they tell you what was involved in the process?

I'm just curious bc I'll be going through this on Saturday
- Was this done at an Omega boutique by an Omega watchmaker? Yes & yes.
- How long did the process take? The watch itself was there for 72 hours but the actual work was an hour or so only.
- Did they tell you what was involved in the process? I didn't went into details, but they had to completly disassemble the watch, lubrication and pressure test has been done before they handed it back.
 
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@Archer could you please confirm whether this is something what can be fixed/polished easily? Is it possible to restore the satin finishing without taking the watch apart again, or they will need to remove the helium valve? BTW it does look much worse on the photo as it is actualy.

That would take me all of 3 minutes to fix, but how the boutique will handle it I can't say...
 
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@Archer could you please confirm whether this is something what can be fixed/polished easily? Is it possible to restore the satin finishing without taking the watch apart again, or they will need to remove the helium valve? BTW it does look much worse on the photo as it is actualy.

From my experience with SGUS Service Center, they have to dismantle the watch (partial maintenance) to buff it out, which means 4 to 6 weeks of wait. I don't have any experience with OB though.