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Need Bracelet and Lume Advice for a Speedmaster 105.012-66
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ndgal
·I know a watch collector who wear cheap strap on six figure Daytona, sooo?
Personaly, considering how much can cost the correct bracelet in good condition, it is better save the money for the right one and put few money on something that he can use in the meantime.
I also wear my 6 figure Daytona on a strap. But I certainly wouldn't risk wearing it on a $20 strap made in China...
When that cheap-o bracelet breaks and the watch takes a dive and kisses the floor, I'm sure you'll be happy you "Saved" and put money aside because the repairs are going to be quite costly...
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The one in the link posted above is a low grade aftermarket. I personally would not feel comfortable wearing a valuable watch on such a low quality bracelet.
I wasn't criticizing the style of bracelet or the "Taste" of whoever posted it. Just the quality, which is obviously very low.
Cheap always ends up costing more at the end, so when the buckle on that $20 bracelet (which costs less than $0.50 to produce in some sweatshop in Shenzhen) snaps and the watch hits the ground and one of the lugs gets bent, I'm sure all the "Saving" will be well worth it...
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!The irony here of course is that NASA supposedly favoured the JB Champion bracelets over Omegas own since they snapped off more easily if snagged, that and the fact they were locally made. Or so MWO has lead me to believe. It doesn’t make me want to seek one out to be honest.
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Screwbacks
·im still using a $12 jbchampion-like mesh bracelet (not made from china) on a cheap all-original cb66 up to now. 😉
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mancio
·I also wear my 6 figure Daytona on a strap. But I certainly wouldn't risk wearing it on a $20 strap made in China...
When that cheap-o bracelet breaks and the watch takes a dive and kisses the floor, I'm sure you'll be happy you "Saved" and put money aside because the repairs are going to be quite costly...
Personaly, the only bracelet i heard that snap with no external factor is the expensive and fancy strap of the Tag 6000.
Cheap or expensive, sometimes shit happens.
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simonsays
·The irony here of course is that NASA supposedly favoured the JB Champion bracelets over Omegas own since they snapped off more easily if snagged, that and the fact they were locally made. Or so MWO has lead me to believe. It doesn’t make me want to seek one out to be honest.
That does sound made up info to me, based on the flimsy look of the JB. I don't believe they are weak or that was the reason for choosing them. Is there any evidence for this or is it hearsay?
As previously stated the safest strap is a Nato, because when the spring bar fails, which is the weak point on a watch if you catch it, the watch stays on your wrist. And it costs about £3!
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Neek
·I have my 145.022-71 on an Omega branded "Bond" Nato and I love it on there. The original 1171/633 bracelet stays in the case most of the time.
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eugeneandresson
·That does sound made up info to me, based on the flimsy look of the JB. I don't believe they are weak or that was the reason for choosing them. Is there any evidence for this or is it hearsay?
http://www.moonwatchonly.com/omega-...ws/komfit-forstner-and-jb-champion-bracelets/
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simonsays
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Interesting theory, but I am not buying it. I bet the JB is just as strong as a 7912. Even so engineering an item of equipment to get lost more easily doesn't add up to me. The better adjustability makes much more sense, especially when needing to go over a spacesuit. Less rattly and less hair pulls may also have entered the equation.
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·Interesting theory, but I am not buying it. I bet the JB is just as strong as a 7912. Even so engineering an item of equipment to get lost more easily doesn't add up to me. The better adjustability makes much more sense, especially when needing to go over a spacesuit. Less rattly and less hair pulls may also have entered the equation.
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pmontoyap
·Interesting theory, but I am not buying it. I bet the JB is just as strong as a 7912. Even so engineering an item of equipment to get lost more easily doesn't add up to me. The better adjustability makes much more sense, especially when needing to go over a spacesuit. Less rattly and less hair pulls may also have entered the equation.
You would have to rip about a dozen individual links just to get across the JB mesh band. I would think that in a tensile strenght tests it would hold longer that the single bar inside each of the non-stretcheable link. Then add the factor of flimsy stretch links springs, in a single pull you could easily compromise the entire spring system and add one inch plus of stretch if it doesnt breaks first.
And of course lenght and adjustability as @rfordo and yourself have already mentioned
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·Even so engineering an item of equipment to get lost more easily doesn't add up to me.
Common knowledge is that these bracelets (and watches) were readily available items for purchase at the time and not specifically engineered for any purpose.
I could have sworn awhile back when I had a JB mesh I read this...
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I am sure a lot of folk (especially the MWO authors and the Omega heritage team) would love to see this article as well as the source of info.
You would have to rip about a dozen individual links just to get across the JB mesh band.
Sure, the mesh is strong, but ‘a chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link’ as the cliche goes, and this (lovely) JB champion is not a single solid piece of mesh attached around the wrist between two spring-bars...there are several other joints / interconnections etc...
Anyways, I am not disagreeing with you blokes, however :
Fact (as we know it) : NASA Engineer in charge of testing and choosing equipment stated why it was chosen (easier to break than Omega bracelet, thus no getting stuck/snagging - safety first).
Speculation : everything else.
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simonsays
·Fact (as we know it) : NASA Engineer in charge of testing and choosing equipment stated why it was chosen (easier to break than Omega bracelet, thus no getting stuck/snagging - safety first).
Speculation : everything else.
If you read the article the information in it is at least third hand and very much speculation. This is the danger of putting information in an well produced article on the internet, it quickly becomes a 'fact'.
I think the longer length, easy adjustment and better comfort was the real reason for fitting the JB Champion. Possibly not reasons Omega would be keen to reiterate.
If you inspect both bracelets the JB is obviously not going to fail easily, so that argument falls down quite quickly. How many times have you got snagged on your watch and felt trapped, I mean really?
I my memory from previous articles these straps were bought by the astronauts personally, and not specced by NASA
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eugeneandresson
·If you read the article the information in it is at least third hand and very much speculation. This is the danger of putting information in an well produced article on the internet, it quickly becomes a 'fact'.
It is third hand, but due to the credibility of hands 2 & 3 as sources of technically correct and accurate information the community doesn't believe its speculation (or feel the need to question it based on their own theories/thoughts/beliefs/memories)...
I think
Possibly
I my memory
"I think i thought i thaw a pussy cat" ... Links to articles and sources please 😁
If you inspect both bracelets the JB is obviously not going to fail easily, so that argument falls down quite quickly.
Its not an argument. According to the extremely credible sources, NASA believed totally differently to you. Deal with it, or take it up with them 😀 I honestly have no skin in the game.
How many times have you got snagged on your watch and felt trapped, I mean really?
I never had my life depend on a spacesuit, with a wristwatch attached to the outside that could endanger it, wearing gloves that couldn't unclip it should it snag (and I couldn't break it). Have you?
But seriously, who cares? It was eventually replaced by Velcro in anycase...
You may think and believe what you like Sir, its a totally free world 👍
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It appears that the amount of equipment that could get snagged during EVA is considerable. Ripping something away rather than carefully untangling yourself would be reckless and deadly? I have never seen a JB Champ pictured on an EVA. The much more secure velcro NATO is used.
I think regardless of source, common sense can be used to make a more informed decision.
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eugeneandresson
·It appears that the amount of equipment that could get snagged during EVA is considerable. Ripping something away rather than carefully untangling yourself would be reckless and deadly?
Better than being stuck.
But they didn't come up with the 'bestl solution of all equipment' first now did they? And it also didn't happen on the first try, and from one day to the next.
I have never seen a JB Champ pictured on an EVA. The much more secure velcro NATO is used.
Nice modern pic 👍 I believe the time-context of your argument is pre-VELCRO, pre-EVA, pre-MOON, i.e. still under development.
@SpeedyPhill, care to share some pictorial light on the early days and JB champions please?
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simonsays
·The first EVA was by Ed White wearing his Omega on a velcro NATO. He is also well documented wearing his Omega on the wrist using a JB Champion.
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·The only thing that gets trapped by a watch strap is hair, which the JB champion bracelet solves perfectly. Perhaps this is where the confusion arose? 😀
