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Need Advice on Speedmaster 321 pre Moon 105.012-66
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emilio
·From these terrible pictures it looks Nice!
Nice bezel insert and Nice patina as Well!
Nice bezel insert and Nice patina as Well!
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SCARRION
·nice watch , but the chrono second hand is a later model. my opinion is it shoud be a spear end and not a flat bottom end.
of course for that amount of money a view of the caliber and serial number would be needed.
regards.
of course for that amount of money a view of the caliber and serial number would be needed.
regards.
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Dash1
·Looks very nice so far.
Some 145.012-67 had flat bottom chronograph hands.
Some 145.012-67 had flat bottom chronograph hands.
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Pahawi
·Looks nice, but get better pics including some of the movement. For a 145.012 I'd say the price is a bit steep, but maybe thats just me.......
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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderAsking $5600.
To pay that amount, I would expect a good condition watch running well and without problems - OR a lesser condition watch with another good reason to pay the high price. For example a one owner history.
See here https://omegaforums.net/threads/a-rare-purchase-145-012.29667/
Now I am not trying to say look how clever I am (I am not it - was an open auction) just that see the difference for $2000.
I believe it is often better to pay less for what might initially look like a basket case, but be in control of how it is brought back into commission. Rather than pay a high price for a dubious history that may turn out to be hot air, and need that $600 anyway.
The OP watch might look really nice - I suspect it does, but the photos are not giving me what I need to be sure.
The dial might be clean and attractive - but only one photo shows that, the rest show a washed out dial. Could be the light.
The bezel is good in place and bad in others. Not great, not what I think of as a bezel that could push the price.
The hands are correct, these chrono hands were fitted toward the end of production. However they look dirty or grey.
So much depends on service history and actual appearance in natural light, and if those hands look ok or not, and if the dial has a nice colour to it.
On the evidence presented, its more money than I would pay.
However I could see that it might be if there was a better photo showing an attractive dial, hands that matched, the bezel went with the rest of the watch, and that it has had a recent service.
That's a lot of "if"s
To pay that amount, I would expect a good condition watch running well and without problems - OR a lesser condition watch with another good reason to pay the high price. For example a one owner history.
See here https://omegaforums.net/threads/a-rare-purchase-145-012.29667/
Now I am not trying to say look how clever I am (I am not it - was an open auction) just that see the difference for $2000.
I believe it is often better to pay less for what might initially look like a basket case, but be in control of how it is brought back into commission. Rather than pay a high price for a dubious history that may turn out to be hot air, and need that $600 anyway.
The OP watch might look really nice - I suspect it does, but the photos are not giving me what I need to be sure.
The dial might be clean and attractive - but only one photo shows that, the rest show a washed out dial. Could be the light.
The bezel is good in place and bad in others. Not great, not what I think of as a bezel that could push the price.
The hands are correct, these chrono hands were fitted toward the end of production. However they look dirty or grey.
So much depends on service history and actual appearance in natural light, and if those hands look ok or not, and if the dial has a nice colour to it.
On the evidence presented, its more money than I would pay.
However I could see that it might be if there was a better photo showing an attractive dial, hands that matched, the bezel went with the rest of the watch, and that it has had a recent service.
That's a lot of "if"s
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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderIn my haste I overlooked the bracelet, which the OP watch carries and I suppose I should allocate a value of $400-700.
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Pianist
·I agree with Spacefruit, we need better pictures. However, the patina and the general condition look nice.
Very nice examples of 145.012 sell for approx 4k € these days. And this one has the bracelet.
Very nice examples of 145.012 sell for approx 4k € these days. And this one has the bracelet.
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repoman
·I don't have MWO with me, but is that a replacement crown ? I think it may be, but will defer to others on that.
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wwhntr
·I don't have MWO with me, but is that a replacement crown ? I think it may be, but will defer to others on that.
Per MWO section on the 145.012. "Finally the significant number of examples fitted with 32-teeth type B2, 32 - Wide crowns, leads to the conclusion that it could be the original crown".
Both of my 145.012-67SP's have the A1. 24 - Narrow 'Omega symbol' Flat Feet crown as well as the flat chrono counter hand. Both style crowns and hands apparently coexisted in this reference until Omega ran out of stock on shelfs.
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Speyside
·The seller just told me that he made a mistake its not a 145.012 but a 105.012-66
already asked for better pictures
is this possible?
already asked for better pictures
is this possible?
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marturx
·Looks to be a very good example. Looking really good. The bracelet too. I can see no issues except that the chrono sec hand is a later replacement. It´s an HF-model. Maybe you should ask to see the movement, so it won´t be any surprises there. The price is reasonable, but no bargain. Maybe you can negotiate it down a little, but it´s OK as-is too, IMO
Though the picture work is so lousy.... I mean, if you want to sell something at that price level, it should be a mandatory courtesy to provide some GOOD pictures of the essentials of the object you want to sell! I guess it´s the characteristic of a bullish market, buyers has to gamble, even with the high priced items
Though the picture work is so lousy.... I mean, if you want to sell something at that price level, it should be a mandatory courtesy to provide some GOOD pictures of the essentials of the object you want to sell! I guess it´s the characteristic of a bullish market, buyers has to gamble, even with the high priced items
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gemini4
··Hoarder Of Speed et aliaThe seller just told me that he made a mistake its not a 145.012 but a 105.012-66
already asked for better pictures
is this possible?
Make sense. As the watch appears to have the short pushers of the 105.012 and the wide space T dial of the 66. It doesn't have the distinctive facets of the CB case either. Me thinks this is a 105.012-66 HF and a nice one at that.
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boknows
·$5600 sure looks like a steal less than six months later.
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Kazyole
·Good deal in the current market for a 105.012, especially with a DON bezel in good shape and the bracelet. Post the better pictures when you get them, but it looks like a good one from what I can tell.
If it were a 145.012 it could be all original. If it's a 105.012-66, then the chrono hand has been replaced. I do think it's a 105.012 based on looking at the chrono pushers (which are shorter on the 105.012 than on the 145.012).
I don't believe that crown is correct for a 105.012. I know that both crown styles are considered correct for the 145.012, but I believe the 105.012 should have the 24 tooth crown. That said, neither of those things affect the value too significantly, and while they are somewhat hard to come by you can pick up a 24 tooth crown for ~$500.
I'd love to be proven wrong though. My 105.012 has the 32 tooth crown as well.
If it were a 145.012 it could be all original. If it's a 105.012-66, then the chrono hand has been replaced. I do think it's a 105.012 based on looking at the chrono pushers (which are shorter on the 105.012 than on the 145.012).
I don't believe that crown is correct for a 105.012. I know that both crown styles are considered correct for the 145.012, but I believe the 105.012 should have the 24 tooth crown. That said, neither of those things affect the value too significantly, and while they are somewhat hard to come by you can pick up a 24 tooth crown for ~$500.
I'd love to be proven wrong though. My 105.012 has the 32 tooth crown as well.
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boknows
·do you know where I can source a crown for a 145.012?
