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Yak1
·Super educational about how/why people do this and the potential dangers of eBay (and the whole internet). Guess that is why you have to really educate yourself and “buy the seller”. Thanks for sharing.
Need advice for Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch
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Socks
·Sorry, still don't get it - and at the risk of banging on...
The seller would have logged some financial info with PayPal to create an account, so there would be a trail back to him there - even if it was via a criminal investigation. And as a new account (I think 90 days) the funds are held until the seller confirms receipt (think it's called PAD - 'payment on delivery' and I think you can set this as a condition going forward when you buy stuff - it may even be the default setting).
PayPal is a smart business. They don't shrug their shoulders and walk off when someone tries to run off with their money. They are the biggest online payment & transaction business and didn't get so without being sharp about it and I can't believe they have an 'acceptable losses' policy like some pick'n'mix sweet shop.
I can only assume the scammer is just naive to the probability that he will be caught / not get anything, or that he was expecting to be paid by some other means.
The seller would have logged some financial info with PayPal to create an account, so there would be a trail back to him there - even if it was via a criminal investigation. And as a new account (I think 90 days) the funds are held until the seller confirms receipt (think it's called PAD - 'payment on delivery' and I think you can set this as a condition going forward when you buy stuff - it may even be the default setting).
PayPal is a smart business. They don't shrug their shoulders and walk off when someone tries to run off with their money. They are the biggest online payment & transaction business and didn't get so without being sharp about it and I can't believe they have an 'acceptable losses' policy like some pick'n'mix sweet shop.
I can only assume the scammer is just naive to the probability that he will be caught / not get anything, or that he was expecting to be paid by some other means.
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Patrik83
·Sorry, still don't get it - and at the risk of banging on...
The seller would have logged some financial info with PayPal to create an account, so there would be a trail back to him there - even if it was via a criminal investigation. And as a new account (I think 90 days) the funds are held until the seller confirms receipt (think it's called PAD - 'payment on delivery' and I think you can set this as a condition going forward when you buy stuff - it may even be the default setting).
PayPal is a smart business. They don't shrug their shoulders and walk off when someone tries to run off with their money. They are the biggest online payment & transaction business and didn't get so without being sharp about it and I can't believe they have an 'acceptable losses' policy like some pick'n'mix sweet shop.
I can only assume the scammer is just naive to the probability that he will be caught / not get anything, or that he was expecting to be paid by some other means.
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dennisthemenace
·Just to be clear, paypal will not release funds to the seller until the buyer confirms delivery of the goods.
They are not stupid.
They are not stupid.
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jsducote
·Just to be clear, paypal will not release funds to the seller until the buyer confirms delivery of the goods.
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dennisthemenace
·So it's better to be a fraudulent buyer?
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jsducote
·And how would that work?
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JwRosenthal
·Take a picture of you opening the seller's box and pulling out rocks? PP gives you the money back, you keep the watch, no?
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jsducote
·I’ve stopped selling to Asia/ Eastern Europe for this reason
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JwRosenthal
·Is that the solution for buying as well? I don't think I've bought more than 2 things via eBay (ever) and have never sold anything. I know I'm probably excluding some good deals as a result, but I just don't know the tricks scammers use and how to prevent getting scammed. I've mostly been focused on grey market dealers, auction houses (other than eBay), and am now starting to look at the OF sellers.
The last Asian sale I made, the buyer won, then balked about paying the shipping cost (I used the eBay international system which is the safe way to do it- but they charge what they charge). He refused to pay and wanted me to send it uninsured and outside of the eBay int’l system. This is a common scam so I cancelled the sale.
There are Asian buyer in the US that use shell companies to acquire goods and ship them back to Asia. I had a buyer with a Chinese account but shipped to Sacramento, CA who told me as much. He won several items and inquired about grouped shipping cost, and we stuck up a conversation. He wasn’t buying for himself, he has wish lists of vintage goods from customers in Asia (Vietnam, Korea, China) and fills containers with the goods and ships them back.
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DotOverNine
·https://www.ebay.de/itm/Omega-Speed...m2f315ad7f9:g:jsYAAOSwXm9cuzAk&frcectupt=true
This is also the same watch. Now with italian seller with references...
This is also the same watch. Now with italian seller with references...
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rob#1
·And it’s “Totally coeval”. Must have had too much covfefe 😵💫
