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Need advice for Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch

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. If it's legit, buy it. It will be the 105.012 buy of the decade. The last time I bought one at that price was about 2001.
I have bought it which is why it's not on ebay anymore.
Whether or not I receive it , time will tell.
It doesn't look like a CB case to me, so I think given the movement number it is a 145.012 with a wrong caseback.
Having said that, one of the pushers looks correct for a 105 CB case, so who knows?
I'm surprised no one jumped on it long before I did, nothing to lose and everything to gain.
And btw, even if I receive what is shown in the photos, I'm under no illusion that is worth anywhere near 10K
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padders
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Dial looks earlier than a 145.012 though so who indeed knows.
 
Socks
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That's the risk of floating something up on here. A big fish will come up and swallow it whole!

Will be interesting to find out what transpires! Good luck!!
 
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eBay account opened 31 May 2019...

I wish I had your balls DtheM!!
 
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Say for arguments sake, it was stolen & being fenced. Is there a system (either official or otherwise) to recover something like this in the watch community? I appreciate if you just sat on it/serviced it yourself or broke it for parts (save for the movement casing) no one would ever know. But if you floated it back out for auction or service at a reputable establishment, would it flag up?
 
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So...how did it play out? It might be helpful for others in the future. Did you pay? At what point did it become evident it was a scam? Clever scammers know that we are all sorely tempted by our ongoing pursuit of the ultimate deal. In this case, the price was stupidly low, though. He should have tried 3500usd. That is not to say it was stupid to try to buy it. If one turned up in the US like this, I'd be tempted, too. And if you wait to get confirmation, someone else might jump on YOUR deal. It's a trap baited with whatever our human weaknesses are most likely to hunger for.
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Did you get the confirmation before you paid or after?
 
dennisthemenace
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So...how did it play out? It might be helpful for others in the future. Did you pay? At what point did it become evident it was a scam? Clever scammers know that we are all sorely tempted by our ongoing pursuit of the ultimate deal. In this case, the price was stupidly low, though. He should have tried 3500usd. That is not to say it was stupid to try to buy it. If one turned up in the US like this, I'd be tempted, too. And if you wait to get confirmation, someone else might jump on YOUR deal. It's a trap baited with whatever our human weaknesses are most likely to hunger for.
I went into this with my eyes open, being 99% sure it was a scam, but when it was still listed on ebay six hours after @Seamaster66 flagged it, with a BIN price of £350, I thought what the f@@k, nobody else here is going to take a chance so I went for it.
Paid with Paypal so no worries about losing any money.
I received an ebay message from the seller this morning stating that the watch had been posted, but wouldn't be trackable for 24 hours because it was going via Russia. He also said not to worry if his ebay account was suddenly closed, because that's what ebay does sometimes with new sellers. 🤦
I found out earlier that he also had a 145.022 listed at a similar BIN price.
I'll probably end up with a Polish potato, but that's what paypal protection is for. 😀
 
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It was considerate of him to caution you to not worry when his account was suddenly closed, as always happens with new eBay sellers. 🙄
So PayPal will eat it on this one, as he has disconnected himself from any means of them retrieving the money. It's a smash and grab scheme.
 
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Why would he tell you his account would be closed? why did he not just disappear? He is a considerate scammer!
 
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Why would he tell you his account would be closed? why did he not just disappear? He is a considerate scammer!

Delaying tactic.
 
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Dan S Dan S
Delaying tactic.

Okay, But I'm a bit naive & still don't get it. He'd be better silently going off grid rather than alerting the buyer to a possible problem.

Also, if DtheM has paid by Paypal, (and Jakub has a new account) are not the funds only released to him until receipt of the goods has been confirmed by the Buyer?
 
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If it’s 960 eur for this watch I would walk away unless the seller have never heard of Omega before.
 
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Also, if DtheM has paid by Paypal, (and Jakub has a new account) are not the funds only released to him until receipt of the goods has been confirmed by the Buyer?

Also curious here. Will PayPal cover the expense and let the seller vanish with the money? That sounds odd.

But otherwise I don’t see how the scam could work. 😕

Ps. Not trying to find a new career path for myself.
 
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I suspect the reason he was delaying was because he had other items that he sold or was selling, and he needed time to collect as much money as possible before someone called ebay and told them what was happening. He wanted to maximize his scam. Now he'll open another account and start over.

As for paypal: The seller can make sure his credit card and bank accounts are disconnected once he is ready to bolt. Again, reason for the scammer to delay anyone sounding the alarm. I doubt paypal has much chance of recovering the money and probably writes it off as a retailer writes off shrinkage/shoplifting.
 
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PayPal will first try to recover but writes it off after a certain time. Probably lose some transactions and win a lot, by offering this protection.
 
mmrols
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Definitely looks fishy. Too good to be true usually is.
 
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