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Fost
·How this will end ..?
My Grail Rolex GMT 6542 Red has Arrived
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marco
·I am asking myself is Orchi good or bad ?
I see no reason for him to be BAD and he has exposed some watches that have previously passed scrutiny. Others will have a more informed opinion.
I am starting to see the vintage Rolex world as a mirror image of the art and antique business and any other where big money is involved and the buying public not always as informed as they could be. To this mix add supposedly trusted dealers/auction houses with a "wink wink" attitude and we have a scam that it is in nobody's interest to expose.
Caveat emptor seems to the rule of the day unless buying from the original owner, box and papers mean nothing to me anymore.
I see no reason for him to be BAD and he has exposed some watches that have previously passed scrutiny. Others will have a more informed opinion.
I am starting to see the vintage Rolex world as a mirror image of the art and antique business and any other where big money is involved and the buying public not always as informed as they could be. To this mix add supposedly trusted dealers/auction houses with a "wink wink" attitude and we have a scam that it is in nobody's interest to expose.
Caveat emptor seems to the rule of the day unless buying from the original owner, box and papers mean nothing to me anymore.
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Hunter87
·Those poor hands.
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··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerRight. Rolex's information about those old watches is nearly inexistent.
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watchesandcoffee
·You have three VERY VERY awesome GMT's. Lucky man!
It has to be hard to find these models in such nice condition. Bravo, good hunt!
It has to be hard to find these models in such nice condition. Bravo, good hunt!
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mancio
·Not sure about that. They share very little so unavailable is perhaps a better word. But the second Rolex starts selling extracts from the archives a lot of full sets will become not that full anymore.....
Mostly because personally i think are BS that paper are worth in certain case a huge premium on a watch (16520 Daytona on top of the list)
Rolex Extract would help to calm that.....i think
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Neek
·Great piece thanks for sharing...
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Neek
·I am asking myself is Orchi good or bad ?
I see no reason for him to be BAD and he has exposed some watches that have previously passed scrutiny. Others will have a more informed opinion.
I am starting to see the vintage Rolex world as a mirror image of the art and antique business and any other where big money is involved and the buying public not always as informed as they could be. To this mix add supposedly trusted dealers/auction houses with a "wink wink" attitude and we have a scam that it is in nobody's interest to expose.
Caveat emptor seems to the rule of the day unless buying from the original owner, box and papers mean nothing to me anymore.
Absolutely. As the profit margin for unscrupulous behavior increases, the depths that scammers are willing to go to to take advantage of the unsuspecting grow deeper.
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erpin9
·Finally had my watch brought to Rolex Geneva through a friend who went to the last Basel Fair. He was directed to the Heritage Department where a technician inspected and checked every part for originality before it was accepted for repair and overhaul. Below iare the text messages of my friend: and photos of the documents from Rolex.
Now i just have to wait for several months before i get my watch back.
Now i just have to wait for several months before i get my watch back.
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wkimmd
·Saving this thread...
Good luck OP!
Good luck OP!
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t_swiss_t
·2000 for piece of mind, and to show anyone buying it later that it’s verified might be worth it ... though I’m not sure that just having the Rolex certification can be thought of as proof positive since they have presented pictures of vintage pieces with obvious service parts in recent promotional materials. I’d like to see a good track record first but with Rolex being as it is I’m sure they are opaque about everything.
On top of that, another 8k minimum for servicing!? Sounds like a rip off for work that can be well done by many other watch makers for far less. The only thing that might be worth that is an impossible to find vintage part that they could supply but I don’t see that being likely.
Not my money but I don’t think I’d have made the same choice. Good luck though, I hope it works out.
On top of that, another 8k minimum for servicing!? Sounds like a rip off for work that can be well done by many other watch makers for far less. The only thing that might be worth that is an impossible to find vintage part that they could supply but I don’t see that being likely.
Not my money but I don’t think I’d have made the same choice. Good luck though, I hope it works out.
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·Well hopefully something good will come out of this investment. My friend was advised also that the Heritage Department will include in its report if there are parts that are not period correct for the watch.
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t_swiss_t
·Well hopefully something good will come out of this investment. My friend was advised also that the Heritage Department will include in its report if there are parts that are not period correct for the watch.
I hope so too! Please let us know how it goes, it would be nice to hear how they treat you and what the experience is like.
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boogedyboo
·@erpin9 For your own safety, I would strongly suggest you edit your photo to omit your personal details like name and address.
And if I am not wrong, the inspection and checking of every part for originality before being accepted for repair and overhaul is what is going to take place over the next 12 weeks? I doubt they can inspect every part in 45 minutes.
And if I am not wrong, the inspection and checking of every part for originality before being accepted for repair and overhaul is what is going to take place over the next 12 weeks? I doubt they can inspect every part in 45 minutes.
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·On top of that, another 8k minimum for servicing!? Sounds like a rip off for work that can be well done by many other watch makers for far less. The only thing that might be worth that is an impossible to find vintage part that they could supply but I don’t see that being likely.
Watchmakers of today can fabricate impossible-to-find vintage parts as replacements, but obviously will not be genuine as they do not come from Rolex. I think with a watch this high value and rarity, it is well worth to take it to Rolex's Heritage Department.
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·Watchmakers of today can fabricate impossible-to-find vintage parts as replacements, but obviously will not be genuine as they do not come from Rolex. I think with a watch this high value and rarity, it is well worth to take it to Rolex's Heritage Department.
Not sure what you mean by impossible to find vintage parts. Rolex isn't going to supply a period correct NOS gilt dial or bezel as a replacement part, they'll just supply a service part like with everyone else. If they have been supplying NOS parts for high value items that collectors care about, like original dials or bezels, there'd be a big difference -- but please show me that that's ever happened. I'm sure there'd be a huge run on this Heritage Dept, if so. Also, as far as I can tell, all of the parts that command high value in the OP's example are already correct so I don't know what could be replaced that would add value back to the watch.
If it's a mechanical part, sure, the replacement gear may be from a donor movement or require refurbishing but if it's a good watchmaker they can figure it out, it's not like this is a Patek perpetual chrono from the 40's, it's a workhorse movement and a particular gear or bushing isn't worth $8k. People like the Ridley's and Rik Dietel in the US deal with these era and value of watches all the time, with excellent results, and have done so for decades. They charge $2k at the top end for a bigger job so no, a multiple of 5 for that doesn't strike me as being worth it.
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mrs_LA
·Sorry, but where did I speak of Rolex providing NOS parts? Don’t get your undies in a bunch. Your rant is unnecessary. I said that parts can be fabricated by watchmakers, and that the only difference being the fabrication was done by Rolex. They would explicitly state these as part of changes done during service. I should have said that I was referring to the parts in the movement, although that should have been clear given that the service request was to not touch the dial, bezel, and hands.
Maybe I should have included two paragraphs, so that you didn’t connect fabrication of parts to my second statement regarding the watch being of high value and sent to Rolex. 😀
And like you said, it’s not your money. If OP can afford to take it to Rolex Geneva, who’s to judge? 😗
Maybe I should have included two paragraphs, so that you didn’t connect fabrication of parts to my second statement regarding the watch being of high value and sent to Rolex. 😀
And like you said, it’s not your money. If OP can afford to take it to Rolex Geneva, who’s to judge? 😗
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·They charge $2k at the top end for a bigger job so no, a multiple of 5 for that doesn't strike me as being worth it.
Because he get the watch inspected and certified by ROLEX that the watch is correct and original. That is probably worth more than 10k as investment in my opinion.
We are talking about a watch worth way more than 100k, and i'm sure that are people who can restore or certify that watch.....but on a watch like that you want a written paper by Rolex and no one else.
