My Dad’s Cosmic Moonphase - what to do?

Posts
6
Likes
2
Hi Folks,
Seeking your feedback as I’ve been wrestling with this decision for a long while. My most treasured watch is my Dad’s 40’s Cosmic moonphase. My Dad gave it to me about 25 years ago and, believe it or not, it was a daily driver for me for a number of years.

The watch was given to my Dad when he was roughly 13 years old (1955 or so) by my great Uncle so that my Dad could walk to school and arrive on time. My grandparents, who were in the retail fashion industry, agreed to make a custom bracelet for the watch. It’s a vintage sterling silver ID bracelet that was custom made into a watch bracelet. Incidentally, when my Dad was in law school in Philly, someone tried to rip the watch off his wrist on a bus and the custom design of clasp and incredibly secure lug barrel integrated into the bracelet saved the watch from being stolen.

Interestingly this watch had almost no wrist time for my Dad when I was a kid. But it was always one of my favorites from his collection. His daily was a 14k Tiffany from the same era that was his Dad’s watch. Iirc it’s a movado based calendar watch.

In any event, I last had the Omega serviced in New York about 10-15 years ago and have really not worn it in a while. It’s not running now, unfortunately. And furthermore when it was last serviced the watchmaker could not get the complications properly working. I don’t recall why anymore.

Furthermore, the dial is in somewhat rough condition, albeit original, and has been rough for as long as I can remember… longer than 40 years. It’s not SO far gone that it MUST be redialed. But I have weighed if I should do so ever since I’ve had the watch. Not as big a deal but also believe the crown was replaced well before my time, not fully sure though.

My Dad passed away last December and I want to get this watch back in service. I want to enjoy it, I want my kids to see it on my arm and know the history and I want to get it in truly tip top shape. I won’t fully say that I don’t care what it costs to get it into proper order. Obviously there is a limit… but I’m willing to spend a good bit to make it right.

This watch will never be sold so long as I have it and I intend for it to go to my kids.

What’s the right move here? Send to Omega for a full restore? Is there someone in the US that would be as good? If I send it to Omega, I assume they will replace a lot and do a redial. I’d get the old dial and old parts back? I think? If I wanted to do a redial is this the best possible path? Any rough guess of the cost? Just to be clear, despite my comments I definitely have not decided to redial…. Seeking views on if it’s the right move and more generally how to handle the restoration mechanically and, maybe, aesthetically.

What would you do if you were in my shoes? What’s the best path forward?

Many thanks for your feedback and advice!

 
Posts
21,595
Likes
48,942
I have seen some threads where a family piece like this was sent to Omega and they had the dial repainted, so that's what I would expect here. It will look much better, although obviously not exactly like the original. Budget at least a couple of thousand USD.
 
Posts
11,962
Likes
20,801
For me, it looks like the dial has already been refinished, but a long time ago.

Imo think the first step is deciding what you want to achieve. Do you want to make this suitable for occasional wear to be passed down for you and your kids to add their own stories or just preserve it as your dad wore it.
If the former, I’d potentially consider Omega. If the latter, I’d find recommendations for watchmakers experienced with these complications in your country and just have it cleaned and serviced.
 
Posts
6
Likes
2
Thanks gents, appreciate the feedback. Regarding the originality of the dial… it’s been in my family since new but there is nobody left in the family that would be able to entirely rule out a redial. Still from my knowledge of the watch’s history I’m 99% sure it’s original.

Just out of curiosity, what are you seeing that suggests it was redone @Davidt? If it was already redialed, that would somewhat sway my decision to redo it again.
 
Posts
5,805
Likes
9,010
Paging @cristos71 but I also think it is a redial. Probably old but still redone
 
Posts
21,595
Likes
48,942
Sometimes photos make the printing look sloppy because of compression artifacts. But if the pictures are accurate, I have the impression that some printing was at least touched up. Not sure if it's a total repaint given the sharpness of the snailing, sub-dial edge, etc.
 
Posts
1,557
Likes
8,019
Look at the OMEGA text. For me it is repainted.
 
Posts
7,535
Likes
34,604
I think a worn original dial with touch ups to at least the logo
 
Posts
11,962
Likes
20,801
S Stook1
Thanks gents, appreciate the feedback. Regarding the originality of the dial… it’s been in my family since new but there is nobody left in the family that would be able to entirely rule out a redial. Still from my knowledge of the watch’s history I’m 99% sure it’s original.

Just out of curiosity, what are you seeing that suggests it was redone @Davidt? If it was already redialed, that would somewhat sway my decision to redo it again.

On the one hand the 2, 4, 8, 10, 12 numerals and the subdial look good. On the other, I can’t believe the Omega text and logo and some areas of the minute track are original. They’re just too thick and sloppy. Given that other areas of text has faded/been lost, such as 14, 15, 16, 17 etc I’m inclined to agree with @cristos71 (who’s much more of an expert on these dials than me anyway) - original with touch ups.
 
Posts
6
Likes
2
Think it may be the photos and generally poor lighting. Will post more in a bit…
 
Posts
1,172
Likes
4,187
If it was my/my father's watch, I would not change or reprint the dial as it is part of its history. Even if reprinted, the dial looks good. It is not perfect, but it has much charme.
I remember a thread here (but cannot find it), were a member has sent his watch to Omega. Before, the watch had a very beutifully aged dial. After the Omega service, it had a reprinted dial that really looked awfully sterile. The printing was certainly perfect, but it just did not fit to the watch.

So IMHO, I would get the watch serviced and the chrystal polished. If the watchmaler knows how to do it, a very gentle polishing of the case to remove the scratches a little bit will do wonder to the watch.
 
Posts
205
Likes
646
I think you should just get it serviced. It looks like the text was redone to me, but who cares? Find a watchmaker who can work on these, and enjoy it. The strap is pretty cool.

Thank you for posting it!
 
Posts
2,147
Likes
4,294
Agree with @Oku above I too would get it serviced and dont touch the dial it is as your Dad saw it and IMO looks quite good for watch of its age. it Don't let anyone try to "clean" the dial as that may make it worse. Polish or replace the crystal will also improve look.
 
Posts
11,962
Likes
20,801
Agree with @Oku above I too would get it serviced and dont touch the dial it is as your Dad saw it and IMO looks quite good for watch of its age. it Don't let anyone try to "clean" the dial as that may make it worse. Polish or replace the crystal will also improve look.

I agree. Personally I wouldn’t touch the dial, redialed/touched up or not. Your dad looked at this dial and every time it’s polished or redialed it takes it further away from the wqtxh your dad looked down at.
I’d go with a full movement service by someone competent with these watches, ultrasonic clean of case but no polish, however I would probably get a new crystal. Obviously keep the bracelet.