My car was just BURGLARISED in Liverpool,UK. Burglar left my £500 GPS and £400 24teeth Crown.

BenjaminT · Nov 8, 2017

horndog_209
I'm astonished you managed to get a scenes of crime officer to come and have a look - you must either have been incredibly persuasive or lucked out with your case landing with a very keen officer!

Unfortunately the way policing in the UK is going means that in my borough in London they're looking at dealing with theft from/of motor vehicle and burglaries being dealt with over the phone. Burglaries! I believe in Leicestershire they trialled only attending burglaries at even numbered houses for a while!

Boy, I was unaware what a failed state the UK actually is.
If you own a tire wrench and a pair of vinyl gloves you should consider a career as car burglar there. Unbelievable.
Very sorry to hear that.

SgWatchBaron · Nov 8, 2017

immustard
Sorry to hear your story but unfortunately policing in the UK is getting really bad with massive cuts,our local police station is now being made into flats,and our local crime has rocketed,the criminals know they have loads of time to do whatever they want knowing no police will turn up and there will probably be no police follow up either.

I have to agree with this statement! I drove to two police stations that were shown on google maps, only to see that they have been closed or turned into something else, like a medical clinic! Crazy times we live in! The NHS is broken, the police aren’t preventing crimes. What are our council tax for then?

speedamatuer · Nov 8, 2017

SgWatchBaron
I have to agree with this statement! I drove to two police stations that were shown on google maps, only to see that they have been closed or turned into something else, like a medical clinic! Crazy times we live in! The NHS is broken, the police aren’t preventing crimes. What are our council tax for then?

The DUP apparently....

ICONO · Nov 8, 2017

BenjaminT
Boy, I was unaware what a failed state the UK actually is.
If you own a tire wrench and a pair of vinyl gloves you should consider a career as car burglar there. Unbelievable.
Very sorry to hear that.

Welcome to the strategy of bailing out failing Banks......and the insanity of a chaotic Brexit

ChrisN · Nov 8, 2017

I'm very sorry to hear that @SgWatchBaron had his car broken into but, some of the statements being made based on one piece of data are just incredible.

BenjaminT
Boy, I was unaware what a failed state the UK actually is.
If you own a tire wrench and a pair of vinyl gloves you should consider a career as car burglar there. Unbelievable.
Very sorry to hear that.

Here are some EU crime statistics for theft which should be the category we're talking about. I couldn't be bothered doing more than a few countries and as Scotland didn't submit anything in 2015 (what can we read into that, I wonder? Perhaps their computers couldn't store such a large number?🤦), I couldn't do 2015 but, here are the 2014 statistics and I've related them to current population from Wikipedia.

So, why don't you come and live in Spain? It's clearly the safest place for theft - oh, hang on my E-Type was broken into here and has never been broken into in any other country so I will read across that it's a lawless place full of robbers. I must tell all my Spanish friends.

Clearly, don't go the the Netherlands as it's worse than the Wild West. Strangely, I've enjoyed it every time I've been there... And those Swiss, hot on the heels of the Brits and we all know what a dangerous place that is, I remember my nights of fear vividly.

In all honesty, with these figures, just group Germany, France, UK, Switzerland, Italy in one block as they are all basically the same. There are only two standouts shown.

The only place I have ever felt uncomfortable was three blocks back from the Copacabana beach and I was living in Brazil at the time so should not have been so stupid.

Regards, Chris
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All theft data from here and theft is defined as (note that it excludes "theft of a motor vehicle" not "theft from a motor vehicle"):

Theft
Theft is defined as depriving a person or organisation of property without force with the intent to keep it. For the purpose of this article, theft excludes burglary, housebreaking, robbery and theft of a motor vehicle.
The level of police-recorded theft remained relatively stable across the EU-28 (excluding Latvia and UK Scotland) during the period 2010–2015. Data from Germany and France have undergone methodological changes between 2008 and 2009 that affect the overall comparability for these years. The United Kingdom and the Netherlands show a clear downward trend from 2008-2015.
The number of thefts recorded by the police in each jurisdiction is shown in Table 5 of the article tables.

X350 XJR · Nov 8, 2017

Ouch, that sucks, sorry.

propervinyl · Nov 8, 2017

I'm sorry man. Cant believe the police put you through so much grief about this - that would be most upsetting to me. Makes me grateful for what I have here.

When I lived in DC, I assumed car break-ins as a cost of doing business. As a result, I left my car immaculate - not even a piece of paper or empty coffee cup or food wrapper out of place on the inside. I think thats the only thing that protected me once I figured it out.

Plus, I'm surprised they sent a team so long after the incident. Here in the U.S., it would have been considered a contaminated crime scene and inadmissible in court.

BenjaminT · Nov 8, 2017

ChrisN

When does a crime enter these statistics?
For sure not, when the polices refuses to file a report - like in @SgWatchBarons case.
What are they worth then if police in UK systematically does that? Nothing!

I haven't looked in the spain figures, but they are for sure implausible. Thats general experience of life as a european and tourist to most of the countries in the table 😉.

Crime figures were also not the point - the point is the action or non-action of law enforcement.
What is a law worth that is not enforced?

BlackTalon · Nov 8, 2017

propervinyl
When I lived in DC, I assumed car break-ins as a cost of doing business. As a result, I left my car immaculate - not even a piece of paper or empty coffee cup or food wrapper out of place on the inside. I think that's the only thing that protected me once I figured it out.

As someone who lives right outside DC and is there all the time for work, I agree 100% about not leaving anything in view. Electronic cables usually mean there is a GPS, etc. stashed in the glove box or center console, and invites a break-in. But that would be by those crooks who have the time/ inclination to fence things. Others just want the money, even it it is only 75 cents.

At my business we have a few company cars. Parking is a surface lot, and the offices in the complex is generally empty at nights. There are a few exterior lights on the building, but the parking lot is blocked from street view by the first row of short buildings. Years ago we experienced repeated break-ins, as there were some local kids looking for quick money. They would take the quarters we had in the cars to use at parking meters. Each broken window would cost us ~$75, and the 'take' by the kids would be maybe $5. After going through a few of those we started to leave the car doors unlocked. And in the last 10 or so years since we started doing that, we have only lost a few more $, and had a gas station credit card stolen once or twice (which was an easy 'fix').

ChrisN · Nov 8, 2017

BenjaminT
Boy, I was unaware what a failed state the UK actually is.
If you own a tire wrench and a pair of vinyl gloves you should consider a career as car burglar there. Unbelievable.

BenjaminT
When does a crime enter these statistics?
For sure not, when the polices refuses to file a report - like in @SgWatchBarons case.
What are they worth then if police in UK systematically does that? Nothing!

I haven't looked in the spain figures, but they are for sure implausible. Thats general experience of life as a european and tourist to most of the countries in the table 😉.

Crime figures were also not the point - the point is the action or non-action of law enforcement.
What is a law worth that is not enforced?

I thought the point was that if you live in the "failed state" of UK, consider a career as a "car burglar"...

I'm a European as well. I've lived in 5 of the countries on that list and I've visited the other 2 more than once. You're taking one piece of empirical data and extrapolating to fit with your original idea.

I'm not sure where you're from but am pretty sure there must be something about your country that you would not be happy about. I'm been living in Spain for many years and the youth unemployment is terrible here which is a real shame. However, theft is low and I do believe that figure. On the other hand we have different problems some of which are being played out on a world stage at the moment.

I don't think it's worth me going on with this as you have your feelings and it wouldn't matter what I say or what official statistics show. Also, I don't want to have an argument with anyone here.

Chris

Honza · Nov 8, 2017

Sorry to hear about your car. It's unfortunate that police is not really going to help ordinary citizens in those cases. Wondering what is going to happen 20 years later with the increase of crimes.

Moadib · Nov 8, 2017

That's extraordinary! What an advert for Liverpool (maybe a helpful one - help people not to go there!). I've only been to Liverpool once in my life, maybe mid 90s. A mate and I drove down for the day for a work issue. We stopped at a shop to get something to drink for the drive up, and the customers were literally in a cage?! When you went into the shop you (the customer) were inside a cage, and the shopkeeper and all his stock were behind the bars. You asked him what you wanted, he got it, you put money in a hatch which he took, then he placed your goods in the hatch. I guess (hope!) we just happened to stop in a bad area, but I was amazed - never seen anti-crime measures like that before. We assumed we were in a bad area and got the hell out of Dodge...

Seeing five cars just casually hit in one area is....! Even if lucky enough to have nothing taken, a total pain having to get the car fixed, insurance impact etc.. Really sorry to hear about that :-(

jaguar11 · Nov 8, 2017

Sorry to hear of you experience. It is horrible when something like that happens and quite impressive that you were able to get the police to actually come out. Such incidents can happen anywhere. The main thing however disturbing it is to have our property damaged by brainless idiots who have never contributed anything to society in a meaningful way (yes they exist everywhere) who are out for a fix is that there has been no damage to ourselves. Sad about the police here and as someone has pointed out toothless law is fairly useless...

#nb · Nov 8, 2017

ouch! I had a similar experience in ATH few weeks ago. Luckily was a rental but still...

coolie · Nov 8, 2017

josephgsy
hardly i would say, the city is filled with CCTVs and it's impossible to get away

Next time I visit, I'll try to see how prevalent the CCTVs are in Singapore. Many would argue the merits of the nanny state, but there is a certain comfort knowing your body and property is relatively safe at all hours and locations.

Kringkily · Nov 8, 2017

The comment about non even for every murder was a JOKE lol

sevenhelmet · Nov 8, 2017

SgWatchBaron
I have to agree with this statement! I drove to two police stations that were shown on google maps, only to see that they have been closed or turned into something else, like a medical clinic! Crazy times we live in! The NHS is broken, the police aren’t preventing crimes. What are our council tax for then?

You should educate some of the liberals here in the USA. They way they talk, the UK is a paragon of existence for health care and public services.

Also, how is putting items in the boot/trunk any safer? Sure, it's out of sight, but a thief can still smash a window and pop the trunk, or simply use a slimjim to pop the trunk and avoid broken glass entirely.

NT931 · Nov 8, 2017

SgWatchBaron
The burglar managed to disable my car’s alarm and made off with £250-300 worth of coins that I usually stash in the closed centre console of my car for street parking.

Bumper · Nov 8, 2017

SgWatchBaron
Usually I just take whatever spare change I have from groceries etc, to leave it in my car for future use. Average street parking I do is £6 per time.

I had insurance on the car, and had to fork out £75 for an OEM window, without the Jaguar logo. 🙁 The OEM window would’ve cost £450 without any insurance.

Which part of Melbourne do you live/were burgled at? I stay at south bank, at eureka towers next to crown casino and I must say it’s pretty darn safe! Safer than the UK! Only danger is the casino!

I used to work in the city, so it was one of the lanes off Lygon Street, lots of druggies around back then. I lived there for about 13 years, (Glen Waverly, where a lot of the asians are) did my high school & uni there, but decided to move back to Singapore eventually..

munichblue · Nov 9, 2017

Sorry Baron for your loss.

gemini4
I think all your visible electronic plugs and wires are best disconnected and hidden when exiting your car.

This type of crime does not occur, very often anymore, in New York.

Could have been far worse. At first glance, I thought the evil doers made off with your steering wheel. 😀

You made my day... 😁