just as I was going to say dibs. Red hands are awesome. Very very nice
Appreciate the feedback, that makes sense. Sounds like very much a case by case basis. The watch in question is shown below. Seller is asking 5900 euro.
Dials is a little too rough imo for that price but it might sell now due to its exposure
That was my first reaction as well, glad to have another opinion. If that's just where the market is then I may be out for an M95.
better condition watches will be 7000+ and sell quick. This one has been for sale for a bit now
Interestingly, this watch appeared in a Hodinkee article published today. It might even sell for over asking price now judging by the loons buying those Hodinkee travel clocks!
That’s what I meant earlier when I mentioned its possibility to now sell due to its exposure. There may be a shift though; travel clock release may negatively affect anything they endorse
I haven't done any sort of scientific study, but have been surprised at how often the Bring A Loupe column does not generate a sale. I've seen watches featured there linger on Instagram for weeks, and a few in the sales threads on OF as well!
i woudl love to know the opinion of the experts as to whether the red on the sub dial hands is original
I take a careful eye to any of these Movados after being burned on this one deal. This one, in particular, has a different logo than what I'm used to seeing and some novel attributes not seen before in other examples.
it’s an interesting phenomenon; it appears to almost have the reverse effect because potential customers are exposed to comments from informed collectors and makes them rethink the purchase
Here is a stainless steel first-gen '38' that has popped up for sale with a less than ideal dial. I actually like the patina on it, although much of the dial has become illegible. The case, at least from the brushing on the sides, seems to be okay. I have requested additional photos of the lugs because I just can't tell their condition in that lighting. It's priced on the lower end of M95s ($2700), as it should be. Just curious if you guys think this is still overpriced, as well as any other commentary you may have. Cheers.
this one is in the phillips racing icons sale december 12
look ok to me. . i would want to see it in person as the line between "patina" and "discolored or damaged" dial is a thin one. . .
i would want an expert to look at that movement and make sure it is ok. if so i cannot imagine at this price you can lose much just on parts value
Fair point, and I’d describe this dial as having patina in terms of color, which is somewhat even...but also damage to some of the text on the tachymeter (particularly near 11 and 1). Just my opinion.
That said, it is interesting to me and I’d absolutely wear it, just a matter of pricing it right so that I don’t lose big if I decided to sell down the road.
EDITED TO ADD: the more I stare at the photos, the facets on the lugs look soft to me, which I guess I wouldn’t have expected given the side case condition. Seller won’t provide additional photos.
that case is definitely polished but again, at that price point you aren't paying for pristine. it comes to are the insides correct. . the case is correct if a bit soft
I think the mid case has been reworked as well. The melted look of the lug’s facet edges combined with the clean fresh vertical brushing tells me the same thing.
The chrono seconds hand is tweaked as well, at least by what I can see in the photo. It looks bent to the right. The H and M hands look to be relumed, but not overly objectionable to my eye. They don’t match the color of radium lume on the number plots at all.
the dial -at first blush- is attractive with its overall coloring, but the degradation of the outer tachy scale is off-putting to me personally. I think that element would grind on me as I wore it, as I’m especially focused on nice, aesthetically appealing dials. And I believe finding a good, clean replacement dial would be a long shot if you are hoping to find one, but I’d be looking for one anyway. This example would be a “pass” for me for the dial alone.
But -as you state -at a certain price, it may make sense to hold this example for a while until a nicer example comes along. I think you would not get hurt too badly if that price would be somewhere between 2000 and the 2600 asking price.
Thanks to both of you, very helpful feedback. The thought that it was reworked makes total sense. And agreed this isn't a watch that would be a long-term member of my collection, more of a place holder until I could upgrade. That being said these funds could instead be put toward something else. I’ll see if I can get it for a steal and if not will move on.
Sounds like a plan.
I think having a placeholder can make sense, as long as you have the discipline and resources to sell that placeholder after the prime example is in your stash. When a good example comes up, I’ve found that I can’t wait to sell the placeholder. It seems to be a matter of striking the deal when the one you want is available.
It seems like 90/95 on FB cases are priced significantly higher than the rest, maybe a little too high even imo. Given that decent condition chronos seems to be getting rather scarce now, the price range seems to be getting higher especially for the more exotic dials. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough..
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