More eBay outrage...

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Well, their CEO resigned so the board knows something's wrong.

I've only bought low value items (with the highest being $300ish for a pen) off Ebay. Had no idea I could return stuff without abandon!
 
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Well, their CEO resigned so the board knows something's wrong.

I've only bought low value items (with the highest being $300ish for a pen) off Ebay. Had no idea I could return stuff without abandon!
Sorry, you have to be a scumbag to get away with it. Most of us (if not all) don't qualify.
 
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I sold 2 old cell phones that were sitting around. Both were perfect working condition except one wouldnt charge but you could swap out the battery (Note4). I clearly listed it as such and also listed it as for parts or repair. Buyer complained it was non working and demanded a refund...... basically same as your story. The kicker is I had to refund his money and then he had to send back the phone. Apon opening the box, he shipped me back a VHS tape....... wtf. Ebay wouldnt do anything for me. The whole platform is a joke and I refuse to use it anymore.

Side story.. looking into the guys ebay store, he sells all cell phone parts........ so hes blatantly scamming people and has Ebays full support to get away with it. what a joke.

How is there no recourse for this?
 
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How is there no recourse for this?

I'd say that it's pretty clear that they have decided to allow buyers to return items with "no questions asked". The supervisor I spoke to essentially agreed that they would have endorsed the return of my watch had it only been running, say, 10 seconds fast. An unserviced 70yo watch running 10 seconds fast can be returned as "defective"?

They apparently don't give a flying f*ck about sellers, and I, for one, hope that the policy comes back to bite them hard.
 
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How is there no recourse for this?
I was told by ebay that I couldn't prove I was sent a VHS tape....... my response was.. can you prove I wasn't sent a vhs tape........ lmfao. I wish more people would boycott them but hey.... what are ya gonna do.
 
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I gotta stop reading these threads. Honestly my blood pressure doesn’t need the elevated levels
 
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I bought a lovely Leonidas chrono from an eBay seller a few months ago for a very nice price. It was sold as “running” but was clearly in need of TLC (but dial and case were in great shape so that’s what matters with those). When I got it I reached out to let him know it arrived. He asked how I liked it and it told him it had a few issues (minute counter wouldn’t move but the chrono otherwise worked fine) but I was happy with the price and planned to send it off for service. He seemed shocked I wasn’t going to send it back. I told him, it was a fair price and anyone buying a vintage watch should expect some issues and a service is mandatory.

He thanked me profusely for being a good buyer. It’s sad that understanding what you are buying and being realistic are uncommon these days.
 
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I bought a DeVille coax from a seller. Didn't give him feedback because it wasn't to spec but what the hell it was cheap, right? He asked how I liked it, I told him in ran slow 30 seconds a day with a couple other issues and it was already on its way to Omega.

Strangely, I got no reply. 😁

Tom
 
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I bet there are threads like this on forums for every hobby in the world. How has an investigative journalist not picked it up and publicly shamed them? Sending the link to 60 Minutes ...
 
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Especially with a watch or other item worth a lot of money...people will scam you. I only sell to trusted dealers.
 
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I've been screwed twice as a seller on eBay, fortunately it didn't cost me much more than a bunch of aggravation. As a buyer, I did once buy a fake Brietling, but when I complained to the seller he a) immediately claimed that he had no idea it was fake and 2) promised a full refund if I did not leave him negative feedback. I wanted the money more than I wanted the integrity of the platform. He may have been sincere in not knowing, but I doubt it.

It's fine for buying and selling cheap stuff, and I've always honestly described all of my items so that no intelligent buyer (ha!) would have recourse to return it. But yes, it's becoming a real PITA sometimes, and the fees are getting ridiculous.
 
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the fees are getting ridiculous.
Probably raising the fees to make up for lost sellers who smartened up and jumped ship.
 
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eBay despite its shortcomings still is one of the largest online markets in the world. Many on this forum have attested to finding wonderful deals on vintage watches that they likely wouldn’t have found elsewhere. It’s also a major avenue for sellers who can’t easily sell their timepieces on collector forums like ours.

I think most who’ve used eBay long enough have had bad experiences both as buyer and seller. At least in these situations you have eBay or PayPal available to help mediate. Yet who’s available to mediate when sales on collector forums go horribly wrong esp during a trade or bank wire transaction?

Obviously one can mitigate against unscrupulous buyers/sellers during private transactions by checking references if available. With eBay one can consider limiting sales to those who’ve achieved a certain degree of positive reviews.
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Well, their CEO resigned so the board knows something's wrong.

I've only bought low value items (with the highest being $300ish for a pen) off Ebay. Had no idea I could return stuff without abandon!

And, it seems, without actually returning stuff.
 
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I'm much more active as a buyer than seller, and am broadly aware of what seems to be a bias on the part of the company towards buyers. I was also, to be fair, once the beneficiary of a fairly substantial refund from eBay on an item that was supposedly, but actually not delivered (long story).

Having said that, this recent episode made my blood boil, and has me seriously questioning whether I will continue to use the platform. I sold a vintage watch, and described it as not having been timed, and requiring a service for regular use. I also stated no returns. Well, three weeks after it had been delivered, the buyer requested a return because it was running fast. I explained that there were obviously no guarantees of accuracy for a ~70 year-old watch, and that I had stated that a service would be required. He escalated, and I naïvely assumed that the facts would speak for themselves.

Well, to shorten the story a bit, without any further (email) discussion eBay simply authorized the return, and said that if I didn't refund the purchase price, they would on my behalf. I spoke to a supervisor on the "Premium Services" team, and, after a long conversation, came away with this basic understanding: if a buyer claims an item to be defective, eBay will authorize a return and force a refund, irrespective of whether or not the claim is valid or reasonable. In fact, it will not look into the details at all!

It made no difference that I had accurately represented the watch, nor that I stated "no returns".

So, in summary, and a twist on an old cliché, let the seller beware.

Grrrr...
Just make sure that they don’t charge you their selling fee. Something like that happened to me last month. I sold a Seiko and the customer had a problem with the way the bezel was working. I was working so I could not get to him fast enough so he escalate it with someone on Ebay. What made me mad was that the “customer” had done some polishing on the watch before returning it. Any way I talked to Ebay and agreed on refunding the money but not shipping fees. Two weeks later I see my PayPal statement and Ebay charged me the 10% for the sale. I called them and they were telling me that because the customer selected the return of the item as not as described they charged me. I argued that the customer didn’t even gave me the opportunity to do anything and went directly with them, Finally I was able to get a credit but not the refund but it was a pain.
 
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eBay despite its shortcomings still is one of the largest online markets in the world. Many on this forum have attested to finding wonderful deals on vintage watches that they likely wouldn’t have found elsewhere. It’s also a major avenue for sellers who can’t easily sell their timepieces on collector forums like ours.

I think most who’ve used eBay long enough have had bad experiences both as buyer and seller. At least in these situations you have eBay or PayPal available to help mediate. Yet who’s available to mediate when sales on collectors forums go horribly wrong esp during a trade or bank wire transaction?

Obviously one can mitigate against unscrupulous buyers/sellers during private transactions by checking references if available. With eBay one can consider limiting sales to those who’ve achieved a certain degree of positive reviews.
Those reviews on Ebay can be misleading too. I had a dial for sale on Ebay and accepted the best offer. I guess the customer had a change of mind and didn’t accept the package from the postal service. They said that he didn’t live there any longer and got my package back. He said that he was homeless and that’s why he wasn’t there and could not afford it. A couple of weeks later I checked and he had a couple of more reviews from other purchases that he had done. All his reviews were great but you don’t know how many people got the same treatment as me. I mean, I didn’t loose the item but I lost the shipping cost and my time.
 
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Anyone else having problems with bidding on international listings?

I have been unable to bid and missed some auctions the last few days, I only get this error code:

"Attention buyer
We are sorry, but the item you selected may not be purchased due to seller shipping restrictions or due to country-specific import/export or other relevant restrictions.{e108563-779732x}"

After being in contact with Ebay customer service the answer I got is that all listings that are listed with their global shipping program are made unavailable for me to bid on due to import/export restrictions for the third party shipping program. So that makes it pretty much the majority of all international listings I guess?

The only solution ebay provided was for me to contact the seller and asking him to take down his listing and make a new one without using the global shipping program, listings that already have multiple bids. Not the ideal solution for anyone involved.

What the hell is ebay doing for their 20+% selling fees..
 
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I think I will continue to avoid ebay, thanks for voicing your experiences here. This information is certainly useful to many.

Al
 
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I sold a new zippo lighter on there years ago. When the buyer received the lighter they claimed it didn’t work. They opened a claim an in the ensuing correspondence I asked if they put fluid and a flint in the lighter. They admitted they hadn’t but they still won the claim and their money was returned and they kept the lighter. It wasn’t a big sum of money around 100 dollars. Still they won the case because of their own stupidity. I stopped selling anything on there after that.