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  1. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! May 1, 2021

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    This thread was prompted by a question from @Oku about the dial in Figure 4. My aim is not to depict every single variation of original and non-original 13.33Z dial. Rather, I hope that this thread serves as an introduction so that you can begin to train your eye.

    The dials depicted in Figures 1, 2, and 3 are all original, as far as I know. Admittedly, I prefer the style of the dials in Figures 1 and 2 over that of the dial in Figure 3, but I have come to accept it. The dials depicted in Figures 4 and 5 are not original, as far as I know. To me, this becomes most obvious when looking at the sub-dials.

    Finally, here is a potentially useful resource: http://watchexpertise.com/oldlonginespassion/Longines_Passion/quadranti_3.html

    Figure 1.
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    https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/...ld-hinged-single-button-chronograph-122/34019

    Figure 2.
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    https://omegaforums.net/threads/my-13-33-arrived-advice-on-strap-style-needed.43187/

    Figure 3.
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    https://watchesbysjx.com/2020/09/longines-13-33z-first-flyback-chronograph.html

    Figure 4.
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    https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-33-3-dial-help.131025/#post-1777186

    Figure 5.
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    https://omegaforums.net/threads/longines-13zn-monopussante-enamel.44292/#post-523637
     
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  2. JohnLy May 1, 2021

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    A good friend of mine told me to look for sharp edges around the hole for the sub-dials. Picture #4 doesn't even look like there's a hole for the subdials, just printed on the main part of the dial. Picture #5 the edges and the printing would bother me.
    Thank you for posting this and educating collectors what to look for. I have attached a couple of pictures of mine to illustrate the edges I spoke of. Longines 13.33 original enamel dial silver case sub dial.jpg Longines 13.33 original enamel dial silver case.jpg
     
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  3. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! May 1, 2021

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    Thanks for the photos.

    I agree that observing the edge-sharpness of sunken sub-dials can be useful when assessing originality. However, I have primarily applied this concept to non-enamel dials. As you noted, the dial in Figure 4 does not appear to have sunken sub-dials. This is highly atypical and one of a number of traits which suggest that the dial is not original.
     
  4. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. May 1, 2021

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  5. Oku May 1, 2021

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  6. JohnLy May 1, 2021

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    Thanks Larry, i have read this article a couple of times but forgot about it (old age). This time I printed it out, now all I have to do i remember where I put it.
    Definitely a well researched and well written article, thanks for the reminder.
    Best
    John
     
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