Longines 13.33Z Enamel Dials

DirtyDozen12 · May 1, 2021

This thread was prompted by a question from @Oku about the dial in Figure 4. My aim is not to depict every single variation of original and non-original 13.33Z dial. Rather, I hope that this thread serves as an introduction so that you can begin to train your eye.

The dials depicted in Figures 1, 2, and 3 are all original, as far as I know. Admittedly, I prefer the style of the dials in Figures 1 and 2 over that of the dial in Figure 3, but I have come to accept it. The dials depicted in Figures 4 and 5 are not original, as far as I know. To me, this becomes most obvious when looking at the sub-dials.

Finally, here is a potentially useful resource: http://watchexpertise.com/oldlonginespassion/Longines_Passion/quadranti_3.html

Figure 1.

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https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/...ld-hinged-single-button-chronograph-122/34019

Figure 2.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/my-13-33-arrived-advice-on-strap-style-needed.43187/

Figure 3.

https://watchesbysjx.com/2020/09/longines-13-33z-first-flyback-chronograph.html

Figure 4.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-33-3-dial-help.131025/#post-1777186

Figure 5.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/longines-13zn-monopussante-enamel.44292/#post-523637

JohnLy · May 1, 2021

DirtyDozen12
This thread was prompted by a question from @Oku about the dial in Figure 4. My aim is not to depict every single variation of original and non-original 13.33Z dial. Rather, I hope that this thread serves as an introduction so that you can begin to train your eye.

The dials depicted in Figures 1, 2, and 3 are all original, as far as I know. Admittedly, I prefer the style of the dials in Figures 1 and 2 over that of the dial in Figure 3, but I have come to accept it. The dials depicted in Figures 4 and 5 are not original, as far as I know. To me, this becomes most obvious when looking at the sub-dials.

Finally, here is a potentially useful resource: http://watchexpertise.com/oldlonginespassion/Longines_Passion/quadranti_3.html

Figure 1.

https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/...ld-hinged-single-button-chronograph-122/34019

Figure 2.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/my-13-33-arrived-advice-on-strap-style-needed.43187/

Figure 3.

https://watchesbysjx.com/2020/09/longines-13-33z-first-flyback-chronograph.html

Figure 4.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-33-3-dial-help.131025/#post-1777186

Figure 5.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/longines-13zn-monopussante-enamel.44292/#post-523637[/QUO

A good friend of mine told me to look for sharp edges around the hole for the sub-dials. Picture #4 doesn't even look like there's a hole for the subdials, just printed on the main part of the dial. Picture #5 the edges and the printing would bother me.
Thank you for posting this and educating collectors what to look for. I have attached a couple of pictures of mine to illustrate the edges I spoke of.

Longines 13.33 original enamel dial silver case sub dial.jpg

Longines 13.33 original enamel dial silver case.jpg

DirtyDozen12 · May 1, 2021

JohnLy
A good friend of mine told me to look for sharp edges around the hole for the sub-dials. Picture #4 doesn't even look like there's a hole for the subdials, just printed on the main part of the dial. Picture #5 the edges and the printing would bother me.
Thank you for posting this and educating collectors what to look for. I have attached a couple of pictures of mine to illustrate the edges I spoke of.

Thanks for the photos.

I agree that observing the edge-sharpness of sunken sub-dials can be useful when assessing originality. However, I have primarily applied this concept to non-enamel dials. As you noted, the dial in Figure 4 does not appear to have sunken sub-dials. This is highly atypical and one of a number of traits which suggest that the dial is not original.

Larry S · May 1, 2021

Here is the article that set me on my 13.33z quest.

In-Depth: A Detailed Look At Early Longines Chronographs, Including The Legendary 13ZN
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/longines-13zn-history

Oku · May 1, 2021

@DirtyDozen12 thanks for starting this thread!

JohnLy · May 1, 2021

Larry S
Here is the article that set me on my 13.33z quest.

In-Depth: A Detailed Look At Early Longines Chronographs, Including The Legendary 13ZN
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/longines-13zn-history

Thanks Larry, i have read this article a couple of times but forgot about it (old age). This time I printed it out, now all I have to do i remember where I put it.
Definitely a well researched and well written article, thanks for the reminder.
Best
John

Wswwatch · Sep 8, 2023

DirtyDozen12
This thread was prompted by a question from @Oku about the dial in Figure 4. My aim is not to depict every single variation of original and non-original 13.33Z dial. Rather, I hope that this thread serves as an introduction so that you can begin to train your eye.

The dials depicted in Figures 1, 2, and 3 are all original, as far as I know. Admittedly, I prefer the style of the dials in Figures 1 and 2 over that of the dial in Figure 3, but I have come to accept it. The dials depicted in Figures 4 and 5 are not original, as far as I know. To me, this becomes most obvious when looking at the sub-dials.

Finally, here is a potentially useful resource: http://watchexpertise.com/oldlonginespassion/Longines_Passion/quadranti_3.html

Figure 1.

https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/...ld-hinged-single-button-chronograph-122/34019

Figure 2.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/my-13-33-arrived-advice-on-strap-style-needed.43187/

Figure 3.

https://watchesbysjx.com/2020/09/longines-13-33z-first-flyback-chronograph.html

Figure 4.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-33-3-dial-help.131025/#post-1777186

Figure 5.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/longines-13zn-monopussante-enamel.44292/#post-523637

How to is fit 3, rare dial ? The font looks rare

DirtyDozen12 · Sep 8, 2023

W Wswwatch
How to is fit 3, rare dial ? The font looks rare

I do not entirely understand your question. I do think that the dial depicted in Figure 3 is somewhat unusual and uncommon, though I would not necessarily call it rare.

Wswwatch · Sep 8, 2023

DirtyDozen12
I do not entirely understand your question. I do think that the dial depicted in Figure 3 is somewhat unusual and uncommon, though I would not necessarily call it rare.

Thank you ,Enamel dial is beautiful, coz I only saw this font in two pusher 13.33z. Is there any model with this dial but Monopusher?

DirtyDozen12 · Sep 8, 2023

W Wswwatch
Thank you ,Enamel dial is beautiful, coz I only saw this font in two pusher 13.33z. Is there any model with this dial but Monopusher?

I cannot recall seeing a monopusher (or non-flyback) example with the same dial or numerals, but I am not certain.

Wswwatch · Sep 8, 2023

DirtyDozen12
I cannot recall seeing a monopusher (or non-flyback) example with the same dial or numerals, but I am not certain.

Yes, thank you for letting more longines collectors learn a lot and share your knowledage , so I think if there is a Monopusher with these slender font, I think is rare to see and collectible , Of coz, two pusher is already collectible

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