JB Champion bracelet Nasa type confirmation please

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Hi guys,
Just wanted a bit of re-assurance that I bought a relevant bracelet. I have a 64 Speedmaster that should hopefully be on my wrist later this year after it gets some love. Watchmaker is currently finishing up my daughter's Omega so I will get the Speedy in the queue. It's never had the correct 7912 bracelet and I am drawn to the JB Champion bracelets. I've read a few threads and I think I got the right one but just need some expert eyes on it. Seller sent me a generously discounted offer that I couldn't refuse. Its the 16-19mm size. Correct?

Seems the prices on these are more reasonable again now.

 
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The Komfit bracelet is extremely comfortable and easily adjustable. It's essentially a metal Nato strap and really fits the vintage vibe. There's a little learning curve on getting used to putting on the bracelet, but it's pretty easy.

Little bit of trivia, the clasp was designed to break free if it gets snagged on something, but the watch is still secure and will not drop off the wrist.

For a pre-Moon Speedie with straight lugs, the lug width should be 19 mm. Can always ask the watchmaker for a quick measurement to confirm, but think you should be good.

Here's my Straight Writing - 69 on a Komfit bracelet for reference on how they look.

 
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Just be aware that the rivets holding the end pieces together can be fragile on some of the old bracelets. I had rivets fail on an old JB Champion, luckily not while mounted on a watch 😀 Forstner Bands to the rescue
 
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Full disclosure, mine is a newer Foerstner bracelet. Did release the the vintage ones had these issues, but makes sense.
 
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Thanks guys, you have confirmed what I keep hearing about how comfortable they are to wear. Hopefully it’s strong. I wasn’t aware of the rivet problem.
 
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Thanks guys, you have confirmed what I keep hearing about how comfortable they are to wear. Hopefully it’s strong. I wasn’t aware of the rivet problem.
Not saying there is a general problem but just a heads up; might just wanna check if the rivets are firm and all still there in both ends.
 
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The Jb Champion USA you have is a straight end link variant of the .... NASA BRACELET .... these are NOT and should NEVER be referred to as ... Komfit, Komfit style, and or Komfit JB

THE DANGER OF HOROLOGICAL HISTORY RE WRITTEN sadly with help from supposed knowledgable and trusted sources.


JB Champion USA, holds a verified place in space exploration and watch history. The JB Champion USA NASA bracelet adoption by NASA was based on practical engineering needs, and its use is documented in photographs and firsthand accounts. However, the modern revival demands critical scrutiny to prevent the erosion of historical accuracy.

Preserving the true story of JB Champion USA is essential to honoring both horological craftsmanship and the legacy of human space exploration.

Let’s set the record straight once and for all. The astronauts wore the post-1963 CHAMPION stainless steel expandable mesh bracelets made by Jacoby Bender (JB Champion) USA from their Champion line of bracelets, known as the NASA BRACELET and that distinction matters.

THEY ARE CALLED THE NASA BRACELET by JB Champion USA if they are not original "REPO" is the word to use.

The original bracelets are certainly not called Komfit, Komfit style or Komfit JB ... made by Forstner

By allowing publications to repeat the modern Forstner brand's narrative without correction, a "Johnny-come-lately" brand hijacks the legacy of a defunct OEM giant, replacing documented history with corporate myth.

The public is spoonfed inaccurate historical narratives by prominent watch publications. Major publications themselves have not issued official corrections to their original coverage, which often repeats the simplified and conflated narrative.

The periodicals Hodinkee, Fratello, Worn & Wound, aBlogtoWatch, Watchtime magazine, and GearPatrol have not published formal corrections or clarifications to address the misleading claim that the modern Forstner brand is directly responsible for the NASA-issued "JB CHAMPION USA expandable stainless steel mesh" bracelet.

The name Komfit and Forstner if mentioned belongs in the portion of the article giving background information.

The lack of correction from major watch publications perpetuates a dangerous rewriting of horological history.


A). It Erases True Innovation:

It credits the modern Forstner brand with the achievement of creating the NASA-issued bracelet, when it was actually Jacoby-Bender's "JB Champion" model, developed after they acquired Forstner, that was used in space.

B). It Misleads the Public:

Consumers and collectors, who rely on these respected publications for accurate information, are being fed a commercially-driven myth instead of the factual, nuanced history.

C). It Undermines Historical Integrity:

When influential media outlets repeat unchallenged inaccuracies, they allow a corporate narrative to supplant documented facts, mirroring the "truth hijacked as propaganda" warned of in historical discourse. This sets a precedent where brand marketing can overwrite historical reality.

The perpetuation of the myth that the Forstner "Komfit" was the NASA-issued bracelet is dangerous because it actively erases the true history of horological innovation.

A SIMPLE REBRANDING CLAIM ...

The issue is not simply a rebranding; it is the obscuration of significant engineering work by Jacoby Bender working with NASA itself. While Forstner created the original Komfit with fixed end pieces, it was Jacoby Bender that acquired the company in 1963 and developed the JB Champion, the true "NASA bracelet."

This was not a superficial name change. Jacoby Bender made critical engineering modifications, most importantly the spring-loaded, variable-width end pieces (16–19 mm). This innovation allowed the band to securely fit over a wide range of watch lugs and, crucially, to be easily adjusted over the bulky sleeves of a space suit making it a functional necessity for NASA.

Many modern sources, including some retailers and media, refer to NASA bracelet made by JB Champion USA versions as "Forstner Komfit, Komfit JB, and or Komfit style" straps, which is historically inaccurate. This revisionism risks erasing Jacoby-Bender’s engineering contributions and misattributing the success of the JB Champion USA NASA issued bracelet to a company that did not exist after 1963 and had no role with the space program of NASA.

ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURER (OEM)

All OEM supply work including for NASA and major watch brands was carried out by JB Champion USA under its own engineering and manufacturing.


Beyond the NASA mesh bracelet, JB Champion USA supplied Omega with other OEM bracelets, including flat link, slat-style, brick, and Oyster-style designs, as confirmed by historical supplier records. Evidence from retailer stock listings shows JB Champion USA also supplied bracelets compatible with Bulova, Hamilton, Longines, Universal Genève , Recta and other brands.

JB Champion USA supplied Rolex with OEM bracelets, including oval link Jubilee and Oyster-style designs, primarily during the 1960s–1970s to avoid U.S. import tariffs on complete watches. These bracelets were stamped "JB" in a triangle, "USA", and sometimes "14 KT U.S.A." or "ROLEX STAINLESS STEEL U.S.A." on the clasp.

They are genuine Rolex USA bracelets, made by JB Champion USA, and are distinct from Swiss-made versions. The "USA" stamp confirms they were made by JB Champion USA (not Forstner) for the American market.

The modern Forstner LLC owns the following:

  • The Name "Forstner": They operate under the name Forstner LLC and use the Forstner brand for their watch bracelets.
  • The "JB" Logo: They own an active U.S. trademark (Reg. 6014888) for the letters "JB" within a triangle, registered in 2020 for use on watchbands and accessories.
The modern Forstner LLC does not own the rights to JB Champion USA or its associated intellectual property. The JB Champion brand and its original trademark (Reg. 0774115) were owned by Jacoby-Bender, Inc., which acquired the original Forstner company in 1963. The Jacoby-Bender trademark for "JB" expired in 1984 and was not renewed.

The modern Forstner brand's use of the "JB" logo is a new, separate trademark registration. It does not constitute ownership of the historical Jacoby-Bender company or the JB Champion brand, nor does it reflect any involvement in JB Champion USA’s prior accomplishments, including its role as OEM supplier.


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So you're saying if I buy the Foerstner bracelet, I should call it a a Repo NASA Bracelet. Ok, easy enough fix.
 
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Jesus take a chill pill. I own both a couple of the original JB Champion “NASA” bracelets and a modern one from Forstner. Never was I in doubt that this is a reproduction and that the company basically has nothing to do with JB of times past other than reproducer some of their bracelets to (nearly) the same specs. They stated that pretty clearly on their website.
 
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The modern Forstner brand's use of the "JB" logo is a new, separate trademark registration. It does not constitute ownership of the historical Jacoby-Bender company or the JB Champion brand, nor does it reflect any involvement in JB Champion USA’s prior accomplishments, including its role as OEM supplier.
Interesting read as i did not know all these specifics, maybe it deserves a dedicated thread to preserve all this information ? And if you clean up the text and run it by some Ai agent it will even be better.

Jesus take a chill pill. I own both a couple of the original JB Champion “NASA” bracelets and a modern one from Forstner. Never was I in doubt that this is a reproduction and that the company basically has nothing to do with JB of times past other than reproducer some of their bracelets to (nearly) the same specs. They stated that pretty clearly on their website.
He has a fair point that the general audience is spoonfed the wrong information, and sticking to the facts is as important as ever in collecting. Ai can clean up his text so please share that pill and take half your self 😉
 
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I bought this one a couple years ago I like it but it is 19 mm it’s ok on my 145.012 but a little gap.
The mechanism is tricky takes a little time to figure out how to close it. Very comfortable on wrist and perfect for those little Timely calendars the astronauts used.

Good read here

 
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Interesting read as i did not know all these specifics, maybe it deserves a dedicated thread to preserve all this information ? And if you clean up the text and run it by some Ai agent it will even be better.


He has a fair point that the general audience is spoonfed the wrong information, and sticking to the facts is as important as ever in collecting. Ai can clean up his text so please share that pill and take half your self 😉

Dude, I don’t need a chill pill, bro. I fell in the chill pill pot, when I was little and have been chill ever since 😉

Btw I totally agree that often the truth is lost when brands wants to make money on recreating historic products. I was just making a little fun as it seemed a bit agressive and excessive in this thread where absolutely no one claimed that the Forstners were JB’s and so on and so on 😀
 
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Jesus take a chill pill. I own both a couple of the original JB Champion “NASA” bracelets and a modern one from Forstner. Never was I in doubt that this is a reproduction and that the company basically has nothing to do with JB of times past other than reproducer some of their bracelets to (nearly) the same specs. They stated that pretty clearly on their website.
its not about chill pill or a personal issue, it is about data fed into cyberspace, the way the thing is structured it harvest the most posted/shared information in the web backed up by wirte ups, reviews, user feed back. Since majority of the Data it can harvest is Corporate marketing echoed by PAID talking heads and publications that have a vested interest in the business ... that is the information that a Google search or AI yield ... it will provide data / information based on the structure of the inquiry ..... if a user does not ask it to verify the information using historical, Empirical data ... it will not do it, and if you think the REPO is built to the same specs and quality as the original NASA bracelet from JB Champion USA ... u are sadly mistaken
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So you're saying if I buy the Foerstner bracelet, I should call it a a Repo NASA Bracelet. Ok, easy enough fix.
yes that is what it is .. a repo of the NASA bracelet .. made by a NEW company named Forstner
 
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I bought this one a couple years ago I like it but it is 19 mm it’s ok on my 145.012 but a little gap.
The mechanism is tricky takes a little time to figure out how to close it. Very comfortable on wrist and perfect for those little Timely calendars the astronauts used.

Good read here

Now that is a proper NASA bracelet that is meant to be paired with a Speedie !!!
 
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Jesus take a chill pill. I own both a couple of the original JB Champion “NASA” bracelets and a modern one from Forstner. Never was I in doubt that this is a reproduction and that the company basically has nothing to do with JB of times past other than reproducer some of their bracelets to (nearly) the same specs. They stated that pretty clearly on their website.

Interesting read as i did not know all these specifics, maybe it deserves a dedicated thread to preserve all this information ? And if you clean up the text and run it by some Ai agent it will even be better.


He has a fair point that the general audience is spoonfed the wrong information, and sticking to the facts is as important as ever in collecting. Ai can clean up his text so please share that pill and take half your self 😉
posted this ... https://omegaforums.net/threads/vintage-watches-show-and-tell.62595/page-38#post-2590917
 
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posted this
Excellent post but burried in another thread so difficult to find....
 
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its not about chill pill or a personal issue, it is about data fed into cyberspace, the way the thing is structured it harvest the most posted/shared information in the web backed up by wirte ups, reviews, user feed back. Since majority of the Data it can harvest is Corporate marketing echoed by PAID talking heads and publications that have a vested interest in the business ... that is the information that a Google search or AI yield ... it will provide data / information based non the structure of the inquiry ..... if a user does not ask it to verify the information using historical, Empirical data ... it will not do it, and if you think the REPO is built to the same specs and quality as the original NASA bracelet from JB Champion USA ... u are sadly mistaken

I do not disagree at all. The quality of many things today are not what they used to be. As I recall no one claimed that either. The issue is that the original JB Champion NASA bracelets from back then are harder and harder to find in good condition; I know as I have two myself, one of them where the rivets failed and the end-piece came off. The Forstner bracelets are a good modern substitute, if you want the look and same functionality - and for the record to avoid any confusion, I am not claiming they are identical or better.