IWC Cal. 89 18k Gold Bombe Lugs: Redial or Original Dial?

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Knebo

·Jul 28, 2026

Hi all,

I'd appreciate your views on this dial on a 1956/1957 IWC with cal 89.

Of course, I found this insightful compilation on the forum and from that, it would surely be a redial (e.g. missing line under the final 'o'). But I'm also aware of variations that may occur between original dials. I'm not an IWC expert, so asking you for your kind assessments.

Thanks in advance



@Dan S @Tony C. please?

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Dan S

·Jul 28, 2026

It's pretty good, but I'm not sure about the "I". It's missing the initial flourish at the left side and the upper loop seems very streamlined. As you mentioned, it would be good to hear from @Tony C. and @gatorcpa especially.

I have a similar watch, FWIW, with soft lugs unfortunately.

 

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gatorcpa

·Jul 28, 2026·ΩF InvestiGator

My gut tells me redial on this one. The "Schaffhausen" doesn't match any known IWC font.

But I have been wrong before.
gatorcpa

 

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Tony C.

·Jul 28, 2026·Ωf Jury member

I believe it to be a redial, and not only because the Schaffhausen signature appears to be off. If you compare International and Watch, it appears that the characters on the latter are thicker, and that dissonance is problematic.

 

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noelekal

·Jul 28, 2026·Home For Wayward Watches

Mine dates to 1954 and the "Schaffhausen" resembles Dan's watch the most out of the variant markings in the set with the very last photo illustration of the set of photos coming in second. Thanks knebo!

 

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Knebo

·Jul 29, 2026

Thank you all so much for your inputs!
@Tony C @gatorcpa @Dan S

I hear your consensus "probably a redial". But I'm a bit surprised by the "probably" as I recall more firm statements from other threads.
Therefore, here are some more photos from the microscope:

Beyond the dial, I'm also a bit confused by some hallmarks on the outside of the case:
- centre of the back of the case (outside)

- side of the case

It's a monocoque case (i.e. case + bezel with plexi, no caseback), so I haven't had the chance to look at the hallmarks inside the case.

What do you make of that?

 

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Ron_W

·Jul 29, 2026

For me that is a professionaly reprinted ( engraved cliché/plate + pad printing ) dial looking at the sharpness and thickness/heigth of the paint.
Far better then hand painting or restoring work but it misses the finer lines transfer into the next letter. And the O is out of place as already mentioned here. Could even be laser etched into the printing plate as the font is so evenly wide, and not hand engraved. But without a macro shot like yours it is getting very very difficult to tell, or you need a loupe and watch in hand.

This honest Swiss seller shows a reprint IWC dial with the original dial next to it for comparison, and its getting scary close to the original. The italic script is very difficult to make flowing from thin to thicker lines but Bold or Capital letters are very close to perfect;

https://www.chrono24.nl/iwc/iwc-her...4811804.htm?searchHash=26fd158d_c9yNLi&pos=12

 

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Knebo

·Jul 29, 2026

Knebo

- side of the case

ok, so this is the slightly polished-over Helvetia hallmark indicating 18k gold and the B indicating that it was checked by the control office of Bern/Berne. So that's fine.

Still not sure about the other hallmark.

 

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gatorcpa

·Jul 29, 2026·ΩF InvestiGator

Knebo

I hear your consensus "probably a redial". But I'm a bit surprised by the "probably" as I recall more firm statements from other threads.

This seems to be a very well done redial, at least as far as the dial printing is concerned. Also, we didn’t have the benefit of macro photography until you posted extreme close-ups later on. These new pictures show that the minute markers were filled with black paint instead of gold. That’s not good.

When it comes to redials like this, I tend to leave myself some wiggle room with the language. My recommendation always is to examine with a loupe. However, I also recognize that this may be impossible for some transactions. So I do the best I can do with compressed photographs from the Internet.
gatorcpa

 

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pierre3

·Aug 1, 2026

I agree with the previous comments; the minute markers shouldn't be black, which suggests a refinished dial. Furthermore, the "International Watch and Co." printing lacks finesse in my opinion.

With this type of dial, which is very simple, the fact that it has been redone is, in my opinion, less important.

 

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Fallout Boy

·Aug 1, 2026

and were is the underlined "o" at Co ???? forgotten?

 

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Spanakopita

·Aug 8, 2026

Fallout Boy

and were is the underlined "o" at Co ???? forgotten?

Yes, and the 'o' should be higher than the line the rest of the lettering is on. Odd that they go to the effort of a fancy printing technique but they miss some quite basic details.

 

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Dan S

·Aug 8, 2026

Those outer dots should not be filled with black paint. I couldn't see that initially, but that's not original.

 

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Spanakopita

·Aug 8, 2026

Knebo

Thank you all so much for your inputs!
@Tony C @gatorcpa @Dan S

I hear your consensus "probably a redial". But I'm a bit surprised by the "probably" as I recall more firm statements from other threads.
Therefore, here are some more photos from the microscope:

Beyond the dial, I'm also a bit confused by some hallmarks on the outside of the case:
- centre of the back of the case (outside)

- side of the case

It's a monocoque case (i.e. case + bezel with plexi, no caseback), so I haven't had the chance to look at the hallmarks inside the case.

What do you make of that?

Seeing this on a bigger screen now, there seems to be a bit of a mess between the "W" and "a" of "Watch" and the "c" in "Schaffhausen" looks really rough.