Is this within tolerances? (New speedmaster)

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I can say with certainty that a ten grand watch (of the quality and spec of an Omega Speedmaster) will never seem ‘modestly priced’ to me, however rich I one day become.

And I don’t expect ‘perfection’ from it btw, I just expect it to have been assembled with care and attention to detail. We’re talking about an expensive instrument made by machine to incredible tolerances, not something made in 20 seconds by sticking a steam wand into a jug of milk. The precision of the item is kind of the point, imho.

I can understand your point. I don't know exactly how these watches are made in the factory, but I believe that the hands are placed on and aligned by hand, which is why they might not always get them totally 100% perfect.

That being said, if the chrono hand on my watch was clearly misaligned to the naked eye, then it would definitely bother me too.

Overall though, given that a lot of it is put together by hand, I think some degree of error should be expected.
 
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These people expecting literal "perfection" because some product cost $X are apparently not living in the same world that I live in. I only hope I never have to interact with them in person. "That foam better be perfect on my $5 latte!"

The closer you look, the more imperfection you will find. And something that seems expensive to you now may seem modestly priced at a different time in your life.

Hoping that hands line up correctly on a 10K watch is HARDLY "expecting perfection"...in the grand scheme of things, a 10K watch is a luxury purchase for some people and will not magically become a "modest" purchase later on in life...your latte comparison is weak...hopefully we don't have to interact with you either in person...you're a windbag...
 
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Good luck buying a luxury car for >$100k that doesn't have at least a handful of "but it should be perfect!" items. Including things like motors that fail due. The amount of money spent does not correlate to 'perfection'.
 
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Good luck buying a luxury car for >$100k that doesn't have at least a handful of "but it should be perfect!" items. Including things like motors that fail due. The amount of money spent does not correlate to 'perfection'.
As previously noted, I don’t think people are after perfection, they just want the hands to be aligned properly, which is entirely possible to do (any watchmakers reading this please do chime in if I’m incorrect about that).
 
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As previously noted, I don’t think people are after perfection
The OP certainly is
Yes, I know it is minor.
But the speedmaster now has a pretty "grown-up" price that certainly calls for perfection in my view.
 
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My ed white is like that, I’m fine with it… almost every single one of my watches has alignment issues on it.

Ya, mechanical watches be like that.
Hands not perfectly aligned, date change not happening exactly at 12 AM, diving bezel wiggling a little bit, time keeping slightly out of chronometer range.

I do not think any single one of my watches is "perfect".
 
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Good luck buying a luxury car for >$100k that doesn't have at least a handful of "but it should be perfect!" items. Including things like motors that fail due. The amount of money spent does not correlate to 'perfection'.

Once again, expecting the hands on a 10K watch to correctly line up..is not asking for "perfection"...its a basic expectation...since when did correctly aligned hands become a "hope" as compared to an "expectation"?...
 
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The OP certainly is

Surely you know that nowadays even irrefutable textual evidence can be written off as “fake news.” 😀


All seriousness, nobody’s saying that anyone should accept a truly subpar product or expect the chrono hand to be pointed at 11:57 instead of 12. But if it’s a quarter-tick off—something you’d need a loupe to really see, as I believe was the case here?—that’s probably within the margin. It’s certainly a higher standard than I’d hold Omega to, but good on the AD for wanting to keep this customer happy.

Also, people keep talking about $10k watches: why are folks paying $10k for a $6600 watch? If you want to get fleeced that badly, go buy something from that other brand.
 
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I can't see myself ever spending more than a couple thousand $ on a watch (I have mostly vintage watches in the hundreds), so my opinion may not be worth much, but I would certainly expect something that could reasonably be done better to be done better at that price. Parts can fail, timekeeping will certainly vary, so perfection is impossible and shouldn't be expected, but the fact that the OP has now been promised better alignment makes it clear that it could have been better aligned from the beginning. So it seems like a reasonable expectation, and thankfully the service center agreed. That said, i still think the apparent misalignment was mostly due to parallax, and i wouldn't personally have risked having anyone open it and mess with it for such a small misalignment. I'm just being a little risk adverse, though, and I'm sure it will be great when you get it back.
 
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I can't see myself ever spending more than a couple thousand $ on a watch (I have mostly vintage watches in the hundreds), so my opinion may not be worth much, but I would certainly expect something that could reasonably be done better to be done better at that price. Parts can fail, timekeeping will certainly vary, so perfection is impossible and shouldn't be expected, but the fact that the OP has now been promised better alignment makes it clear that it could have been better aligned from the beginning. So it seems like a reasonable expectation, and thankfully the service center agreed. That said, i still think the apparent misalignment was mostly due to parallax, and i wouldn't personally have risked having anyone open it and mess with it for such a small misalignment. I'm just being a little risk adverse, though, and I'm sure it will be great when you get it back.

Thank you for this: "but the fact that the OP has now been promised better alignment makes it clear that it could have been better aligned from the beginning"...that's all the OP wanted and was all that most thought was reasonable..thread turned into categorizing his expectation as expecting "perfection"...which was never his aim or request.....
 
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We better hope that a speck of dust, a hair, a nick on the hands, marks on the back cover, lug marks or a scratch somewhere else doesn't appear on OP's watch or we will be arguing again about what is acceptable in the demand for expected perfection.
 
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Its costly enough that he shouldn't have to deal with this issue...

I have to agree.
It's a pity the issue wasn't picked up at the point of sale and if it was the only one they had in stock I would've been pushing hard for an agreeable discount or a free genuine strap complete with deployant😉
As much as it would bug me at this stage I might be inclined to let it slide and build a bridge then worry about it if something goes wrong with the watch during the warranty period I would add the hand misalignment to the list of things to correct while they are there(which will likely happen anyway)👍 but it will be mentioned.
It's a very easy fix regardless and in my situation my dealer could do it there on the spot while I wait as they have a couple of watchmakers on site if it bugged me enough and the risk factor of doing further accidental damage is very low.
But over all I might be simply inclined to let it go😉
 
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Disagree. A 100k watch is a lot more expensive than 10k -- as is a 10k to a 1k and a 1k to a hundred dollar watch. It's relative no? And stating it, while potentially painful to digest, is a simple fact.

But much more important (and topically specific) is brand specs.
If the OP wants to pursue sending it in for a tolerance inspection that's what needs to happen -- but beware, if it falls within spec it's coming back As Is.

Can't be stated enough: be wary of the loupe for it may ruin your day.

It's all well and good to have the gear.
It's another matter to know when and how to use it with enough experience to not let it rule my life. Now if we were talking about a defect in the area under the Crystal of a Grand Seiko then it might be cause to either send it back or ask for a replacement watch👍
I also wouldn't expect Omega to be that petty that they wouldn't rectify the issue😀
 
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My ed white is like that, I’m fine with it… almost every single one of my watches has alignment issues on it.

Intersting👎
I've never ever had a watch which was like that, even a cheap and cheery Seiko.
Having said that the only chronograph I have ever had is my 1861 Speedy Pro and I'm OCD enough to inspect a watch thoroughly enough at the point of sale for hand and or bezel misalignment as others have noted, it is a thing we must factor in especially if it may lead to a discount😉
 
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Good luck buying a luxury car for >$100k that doesn't have at least a handful of "but it should be perfect!" items. Including things like motors that fail due. The amount of money spent does not correlate to 'perfection'.

Yes, but the $ does afford one the right to ask with a reasonable expectation of getting a result.
With regard to a true luxury car.
Luxury cars are known for great paintwork and panel work from the factory.
So are good quality car brands.
Just the threshold for acceptability is different and dealt with appropriately at the dealership on delivery and through the after sales process.
In some circles and markets, a Mercedes of any description is regarded as a luxury car.
Yet when it comes to paint defects. It was always a matter of the Mercedes acceptability criterior being that if the defect was very difficult to spot from as far as up to a metre away, then it was deemed to be acceptable. Over a metre and it would be just cause for corrective action.
It's all relative and at the end of the day the standard the manufacturer applies and how the issue is managed is all that matters.
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We better hope that a speck of dust, a hair, a nick on the hands, marks on the back cover, lug marks or a scratch somewhere else doesn't appear on OP's watch or we will be arguing again about what is acceptable in the demand for expected perfection.

Agreed.
But if I recall correctly Al has addressed this type of thing here on the forum in the past and expressed his opinion that is an easy fix without much risk of accidental damage for a competent watchmaker.
I'm inclined to defer to his opinion on this matter based on my best recollections.
 
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Surely you know that nowadays even irrefutable textual evidence can be written off as “fake news.” 😀


All seriousness, nobody’s saying that anyone should accept a truly subpar product or expect the chrono hand to be pointed at 11:57 instead of 12. But if it’s a quarter-tick off—something you’d need a loupe to really see, as I believe was the case here?—that’s probably within the margin. It’s certainly a higher standard than I’d hold Omega to, but good on the AD for wanting to keep this customer happy.

Also, people keep talking about $10k watches: why are folks paying $10k for a $6600 watch? If you want to get fleeced that badly, go buy something from that other brand.

I'd rather put 10k into a Speedy Pro than something from "that other brand".
I assume you are referring to Seiko?
Or have I got it all wrong, and you're referring to Swatch?
 
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Intersting👎
I've never ever had a watch which was like that, even a cheap and cheery Seiko.
Having said that the only chronograph I have ever had is my 1861 Speedy Pro and I'm OCD enough to inspect a watch thoroughly enough at the point of sale for hand and or bezel misalignment as others have noted, it is a thing we must factor in especially if it may lead to a discount😉
Check this one out? I got myself a Friday afternoon plat DD

 
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Here is my 321 with the same alignment as OP, there is no chance I’m having i’m having the watch opened up for that.