Hey folks,

I bought a Tiffany dial seamaster Deville ref C6865 from ebay, it was posted and discussed on the recommended vintage watch thread. Ebay authenticity guarantee contacted me saying that the dial has been refinished. At first they mentioned that the watchmaker concluded that since the Tiffany stamp is present, the dial is aftermarket, to which I sent over a picture of the journey through time book which mentions this reference, they have now come back and said that the dial has been refinished by someone other than omega or Tiffany. Everything else they say is original on the watch though.

I'd like a second opinion if you kind folks would give me your two cents? Attaching all the dial images

Here is the original listing : https://www.ebay.com/itm/2562179654...p5vfbx-qeu&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPYPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

 

I'm on redial here, The 'Seamaster' looks very sloppy, The coathanger 'S' was from 50s-60s but the watch was probably from 70s. The rest look Ok though.
Edit: Did some research, looks like the dial is legit, still think the Seamaster is funky

 

If the Ebay authenticator says it's refinished, I tend to believe it. And I think it was done nicely if it was indeed refinished.

 

I know about the coat hanger S being from the 60s, and that this reference was probably the only exception from the 70s. Would defer to @dsio here since he found this originally!

 

Here is a suggestion. Go to google images and find 10 other coathanger "S" Seamasters from the same era and compare the "Seamaster" letter by letter. I think it will become very clear before you are halfway through the 10 examples, and you will learn something because this is an easy one.

 

I'll take a look. Do you see any other signs of a redial?

 

Why do I need to keep looking once I know the answer? Am I being paid?

 

Absolutely not! I was just deferring to people's help since I wanted to get a different opinion, since I'm new to vintage watches. Just because I asked doesn't mean that I'm not going to do my own research.

You absolutely do not have to keep looking, thank you!

 

I'm no pro but the gap between the "a" and "m" in Seamaster and the "m" itself look completely whack. And the Tiffany text is crooked. I vote redial.

 

Thank you for your comment! As per @Dan S 's suggestion I went ahead looking at these dials, I also found some where the there's an ever so slight tilt in the Tiffany stamp. Probably there was an ever so slight variation in the stamps Tiffany added since there was no direct omega supervision?

 

That's research.

 

Here are three which have passed through my hands.

 

Thank you all for chipping in!

Here are a couple I found which also have the weird gap but also the *slight tilt* in the Tiffany stamp relative to the automatic that some have mentioned.

 

As an interested observer here I would say that the funky Seamaster script is very consistent across all these examples, and would accept the theory offered by @dsio and conclude they are ok.
Is the seller responding to the ebay authenticator, offerring a discount or anything? Not that we put much faith in the authenticators....

 

I received a phone call from ebay and not the seller, is that something that happens, seller offering a discount because ebay authenticity raised a red flag?

 

I have heard of such especially if buyer becomes hesitant and seller anxious to make deal. Of course if consensus here is that wstch is ok then maybe not cool to demand reduction IMO.
See what seller says

 

Definitely don't want to short change anyone, since it was an auction and especially if the consensus here is that it's real and I trust the folks here. But I will ask the seller about any possible aftermarket history, thanks for the advice!