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Sam909
·I bought this watch, SEAMASTER/AUTOM. CAL.571, for $395, but there is no information or similar on the internet. Do yo believe all parts authentic and genuine?
Is this omega rare and authentic (2991-61SC) CAL.571 and any information about it
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Sam909
·I appreciate if anyone seen similar watch before and your opinion in general.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!I don't like the dial. For a start a -61 iteration would not have T marks since tritium wasn't used until 62-63 and not marked for the first year. The markers are blocky and seem misaligned too. In short its perhaps not as original as you may have hoped.
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Sam909
·I don't like the dial. For a start a -61 iteration would not have T marks since tritium wasn't used until 62-63 and not marked for the first year. The markers are blocky and seem misaligned too. In short its perhaps not as original as you may have hoped.
1960-1969, I have not seen any similar dial though but I am not sure as some people said all original and other said dial is refinished so I am confused
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Davidt
·Dial is 100% refinished imo. The script actually looks reasonable but the presence of T’s either side of Swiss made and the fact this is above the minute track, not below, coupled with both the lack of lume in the wells at the end of the hour indicies and the fact the dashes that have replaced them are misaligned means it’s been repainted.
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Sam909
·Thanks so much, David, for your comment. I believe I still have a lot to learn. Do you think I shall try to return it even though the seller refuses a return or watch it off?
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Davidt
·I guess it depends on the description.
I wholeheartedly against dodgy sellers being economic with the truth and taking advanced of new collectors by creatively describing refinished dials as “original but restored”.
However, I also think buyers should be responsible and not buy a watch, then ask questions afterwards, potentially messing around an innocent and well meaning seller. Due diligence should be done before you purchase.
So, it’s subjective but my opinion is if this was bought as seen and the seller didn’t claim the dial was original or use any creating language, I think it’s the noob tax most of us pay. If it was claimed to be original etc, I’d certainly return it.
I wholeheartedly against dodgy sellers being economic with the truth and taking advanced of new collectors by creatively describing refinished dials as “original but restored”.
However, I also think buyers should be responsible and not buy a watch, then ask questions afterwards, potentially messing around an innocent and well meaning seller. Due diligence should be done before you purchase.
So, it’s subjective but my opinion is if this was bought as seen and the seller didn’t claim the dial was original or use any creating language, I think it’s the noob tax most of us pay. If it was claimed to be original etc, I’d certainly return it.
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Sam909
·I guess it depends on the description.
I wholeheartedly against dodgy sellers being economic with the truth and taking advanced of new collectors by creatively describing refinished dials as “original but restored”.
However, I also think buyers should be responsible and not buy a watch, then ask questions afterwards, potentially messing around an innocent and well meaning seller. Due diligence should be done before you purchase.
So, it’s subjective but my opinion is if this was bought as seen and the seller didn’t claim the dial was original or use any creating language, I think it’s the noob tax most of us pay. If it was claimed to be original etc, I’d certainly return it.
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Dan S
·Dial is absolutely repainted, IMO. I looked at the eBay listing, and the seller never made any claims about originality, and the photos were good enough for a buyer to evaluate the dial. No basis for return.
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cristos71
·Have to agree with the above, the seller didn't claim anything and was honest about the 30.5mm case size too.
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Sam909
·Thanks for your kind reply; it was mentioned not customized in the description and no information that it is reprinted.
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Dan S
·S Sam909Thanks for your kind reply; it was mentioned not customized in the description and no information that it is reprinted.
In this case, the seller described the item as well as he could and listed it in a no-reserve auction, allowing the item to find its market value. That seems totally fair to me. Make your argument to eBay, perhaps they will give you a refund for your buyer's remorse, but I don't think you'll get a lot of sympathy here.
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Sam909
·Good luck, this sounds like a big stretch. The seller was honest, IMO. It's not reasonable to expect every casual seller to be capable of distinguishing subtle issues like an old redial or replaced crown. eBay is an electronic garage sale where all types of items are sold. Many sellers are not experts, and many buyers are happy to get an item they find appealing at a low price. As long as the seller is honest, the responsibility is on the buyer to do some due diligence before bidding.
In this case, the seller described the item as well as he could and listed it in a no-reserve auction, allowing the item to find its market value. That seems totally fair to me. Make your argument to eBay, perhaps they will give you a refund for your buyer's remorse, but I don't think you'll get a lot of sympathy here.
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cristos71
·S Sam909With all due respect, I do not care about money, and I do not know why saying I am searching for sympathy. According to the seller biography, the seller is an expert in vintage timepieces; he has completed thousands of transactions and even offers watch parts with full listings and prices, demonstrating his complete understanding of the business. I come here to learn from the expertise and respected members who have commented above and educated me, however you are aggressive for no reason. The seller must be regarded and moral, rather than simply deceiving. Even Omega Company purchased a fake watch from an auction, so how come fresh passionate people can spot every single flaw in a watch!!
I'd say the majority of Ebay vintage watches are misdescribed in one way or another, that's why it can be either a pitfall or a paradise for a buyer.
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Sam909
·I don't think Dan was being aggressive or disrespectful, it's just that the emphasis lies with you to do your research before bidding and as such coming here after the fact and now looking for a reason to return the watch seems a little off.
I'd say the majority of Ebay vintage watches are misdescribed in one way or another, that's why it can be either a pitfall or a paradise for a buyer.
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Dan S
·Not sure why you feel the need to keep defending yourself. If you feel so justified, go ahead and do what you want to do. We gave you the information you wanted, but we don’t need to agree with your moral compass.
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·Not sure why you feel the need to keep defending yourself. If you feel so justified, go ahead and do what you want to do. We gave you the information you wanted, but we don’t need to agree
Not sure why you feel the need to keep defending yourself. If you feel so justified, go ahead and do what you want to do. We gave you the information you wanted, but we don’t need to agree with your moral compass.
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·Just to keep you all updated, I approached the seller to understand better, and this was his comment, I do not want to bother him after he mentioned that he has a medical condition, he said has 30 years of Omega experience and sold over 1000 omega from his collection and he believe it is original, off topic can someone with all this experience and got confused with omega watches( is it that much hard skill) and is there any way or catalogue I can verify this watch and he I can learn about Omega watches in general, than you all your guidance.
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Davidt
·The best way to learn about vintage Omegas is to immerse yourself in this forum, narrow down the references you’re interested in and read all the threads you can find to increase your knowledge.
There’s no one stop shop for learning the details on vintage Omegas but this place is close.
There’s no one stop shop for learning the details on vintage Omegas but this place is close.
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UNLucky
·Ok, I gotta ask. What's your goal here? You've already heard from the people here who say that they believe it's a redial, and the seller believe it's original. This is a case of he said, she said. So what are you trying to do? Educate the seller who states he has over 30 years of experience? You think he's going to listen to you? He seems pretty set as he mentioned it 3 times in his reply. He states what he knows and trusts that. I understand you may mean well, but I think you're just spinning your wheels for no reason. I have purchased a few duds and I (like you) am still learning. Take this as a lesson learned for yourself and don't try to teach others just yet. I'm not even trying to do that, I'm trying to understand your end goal and also save you some heartache as I have had in the past with stuff like this.
