There's always two valuations, one for a buyer and another for the seller. Which is it you are looking for?
I think on a good day a watch like this could be picked up at auction for €750-850
I also think on a good day it might sell privately for €1250 as the market is soft
So I'd put the 'value' somewhere in between
I think we already discussed your watch once @Wizzar
It is an early 168.004 with a very good case and a patinated dial.
Box and papers are a bonus and do add some value. ( It would be good if you would show a full image of the papers for posterity please)
IIRC, you like the the patinated dial - but it does detract from the overall value.
The Türler adds nothing to the value of the watch, I'll repeat that, the Türler adds nothing to the value of the watch - unless you like a retail shop graffitiing on the dial carefully designed by Omega.
(the 'double-signed' thing is a crossover from 'other brand' collectors, exploited by dealers to create supposed exclusivity and additional value)
Prices on these references did begin to rise (as they should IMHO) and I think @Davidt and @cristos71 have it about right.
With a good dial and the box & papers, probably nearer the 1,250 mark nowadays (as they were reaching that at auction pre-pandemic) but you would have to find someone who shares your appreciation of a funky dial to achieve that price with yours.
Hope that helps.
(now - what did you actually pay for the watch?)
Helped, thx 😀 wasn’t it that pie pans normally cost about 1500euro? Without papers? Then in my country they are maybe just more expensive. I paid around 1k
Not all pie-pans are equal.
The 'accepted' classic pie-pan, that most newcomers to Omega think of, is the dogleg lug pie-pan. (14900/14902 & 167.005/168.005)
These references probably still generate the most interest.
Then there are the earlier lyre-lug pie pans.
The latter have become more expensive than doglegs in recent years.
The 'hidden crown' Constellations (168.004 & 168.010) have never reached the values of the earlier styles but are creeping up slowly but steadily.
Because the patina on your watch is quite regular (and more importantly because you like it) I think you did reasonably well at getting your watch for 1k.
Box and papers are a nice to have for some collectors (I really like to have them but for some they have no interest at all)
Bought separately a box might cost up to 150 but they only add a little to the value when they come with the watch (perhaps 100?)
There's always two valuations, one for a buyer and another for the seller. Which is it you are looking for?
I think on a good day a watch like this could be picked up at auction for €750-850
I also think on a good day it might sell privately for €1250 as the market is soft
So I'd put the 'value' somewhere in between
As tends to be the case, Cristos’ valuation estimate here is bang on the money. In a no reserve ebay auction its a 750-850 euro watch, in a private sale on the forum here 1250 would be about where I’d put it, the markings of Turler, Meister, etc really don’t add any value, box and papers do add a small amount and the case condition is quite nice and sharp which is great, movement is clean and correct but the dial patina while not unpleasant or excessive lowers it slightly. On balance that’s where I’d say the value is.
Now should that be the case? I feel that these watches are currently undervalued as they are both larger than most piepans and quite attractive on the wrist. That said, they are among the most common piepans found in good condition due to the relatively good water resistance of the cases and I don’t anticipate the market changing for them in the foreseeable future.
I don't know if you have much experience selling watches, but I think you will find that the damaged dial makes this watch hard to sell at a premium price. If you like it, that's the most important thing. Many people will say that it looks nice, but that's not the same as buying it.
yep, still its not like there are no patina lovers treating watches with real patina as those with good dial condition or even more wanted/better and those for who patina =/= damage. I know that they are definitely not majority, but while selling the watch I will be definitely searching for that kind of people. Not the one, who see dial like this and call it damaged
It's fine to say that you will search for a buyer who likes patina, obviously that is who would buy this watch, but that doesn't suggest a high price. Perhaps you already understand this, but price comes from competition between buyers. So higher prices are correlated with watches that are desired by a large number of buyers. The exercise of selling is very educational for a watch collector. It's harder than many people think.
